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Wife vs Widow - BettyO - 04-30-2013 11:12 AM
Excellent article by Catherine Clinton on Mary Lincoln -
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860.0028.103/--wife-versus-widow-clashing-perspectives-on-mary-lincolns?rgn=main;view=fulltext
RE: Wife vs Widow - HerbS - 04-30-2013 01:12 PM
I agree 100% with you BettyO.As a recent widower,I found that the Article makes sense.No one knows what other couple's marriages consist of.We all grieve in different ways.The death of a spouse takes all the coping skills you have.Then Mary had to deal with the deaths of her children.I can see how those traumatic experiences dealt her a "bad hand"in history!
RE: Wife vs Widow - RJNorton - 05-05-2013 04:50 AM
Thanks for posting this link, Betty. It's an excellent article. I was glad to see that Catherine Clinton mentioned William Evans' book on Mary. It is quite sympathetic, and as far as I know, is the only biography of her written by a medical doctor.
RE: Wife vs Widow - LincolnMan - 06-23-2013 05:05 AM
I was wondering this: did Mary spend any time at all in her Springfield home in widowhood?
RE: Wife vs Widow - RJNorton - 06-23-2013 07:49 AM
I don't think so, Bill. Offhand I don't even recall her being in Springfield until 1875 when she lived with the Edwardses. When Tad died in Chicago in 1871 only Robert accompanied Tad's remains to Springfield. Mary stayed in Chicago.
RE: Wife vs Widow - LincolnMan - 06-23-2013 09:54 AM
I suppose the thought of her ever living there again must have been too painful.
RE: Wife vs Widow - HerbS - 06-23-2013 10:07 AM
It is-and-I just sold my house!
RE: Wife vs Widow - Donna McCreary - 06-23-2013 12:00 PM
Mary also had rented the home in Springfield and the rent gave her some income.
RE: Wife vs Widow - Hess1865 - 06-23-2013 07:25 PM
(06-23-2013 12:00 PM)Donna McCreary Wrote: Mary also had rented the home in Springfield and the rent gave her some income.
It was rented to Osborn Oldroyd, who ticked RTL off when Oldroyd put up a photo of JWB in the house.
RTL then started the eviction process.....
RE: Wife vs Widow - LincolnMan - 06-23-2013 07:33 PM
Why would he do such a thing?
RE: Wife vs Widow - Donna McCreary - 06-23-2013 10:31 PM
Robert Lincoln was ticked off about more than the photo of JWB.
Osborn Oldroyd was a Civil War veteran who moved to Springfield around 1880. In 1884, the Lincoln Home became available to rent, and Oldroyd moved in before the previous tendants were completely moved out. Oldroyd had begun collecting Lincoln artifacts several years prior to moving to Springfield. So, he set up a musuem on the first floor of the home and lived on the second flood. He paid Robert $25.00 per month to live in the home.
Trouble soon followed his arrival into the home. First he charged people 25 cents to tour the house. Then, he created boxes of Lincoln relics which he sold for 75 cents. These boxes contained pieces of brick, shingles, ceiling plaster, Elm tree, apple tree, lath joist, and pieces of the floor. Yes, he was stripping the house. Then, he angered Robert by refusing to pay rent. Robert did not want a public scandal, so Oldroyd managed to live in the house for two years without paying any rent.
To anger Robert even more, Oldroyd began to lobby the Illinois legislators asking them to purchase the Lincoln Home and allow him to maintain his museum. When Robert did agree to turn over the home to the state, Oldroyd was appointed custodian, did not have to pay any rent, and was paid $1,000 per year while he continued to strip the house for items to put in the relic boxes. With a change of state government in 1893, Oldroyd was out and a new custodian was named. He moved to Washington and moved his "museum" into the Peterson House. Before leaving Springfield, he stripped the house of many items which had belonged to the Lincolns. According to Susan Haake (curator of the Lincoln Home) Oldroyd stole 25 items from the house including Mary's cooking stove and the boys' cradle. These items were later returned. The house had been greatly damaged under his care.
So, Robert had every right to be mad at Oldroyd.
One good thing did come from his "museum." He took good care of his items (even if they were stolen) and we have them today because of his "museum."
RE: Wife vs Widow - Gene C - 06-24-2013 06:11 AM
Thanks Donna. I had no idea he was that bad.
RE: Wife vs Widow - L Verge - 06-24-2013 06:41 AM
The August issue of the Surratt Courier will have a lengthy biographical article on Osborn Oldroyd by Bob Allen, one of the narrators for our Booth Escape Route Tours.
RE: Wife vs Widow - BettyO - 06-24-2013 04:36 PM
Thanks for a real eye-opener! I always loved Oldroyd's book (because of the "Booth Tour" contained) -- I don't have much respect for him anymore after reading this..... he seems to have been a real jerk!
RE: Wife vs Widow - Hess1865 - 06-26-2013 09:04 PM
I still wish Ford's Theater would exhibit more items from the Oldroyd collection.
It would be a major improvement over what they show now.