(06-03-2019 02:10 AM)James Wrote:  Eva - I don't know why I even bother, but here goes; if you were to post the same profile shots of all of the roughly 130 images of Abraham Lincoln that show his right ear, your theory would crumble like a once popular Patsy Cline song (Gene can help you decipher this).

(06-03-2019 02:10 AM)James Wrote:  Eva - I don't know why I even bother, but here goes; if you were to post the same profile shots of all of the roughly 130 images of Abraham Lincoln that show his right ear, your theory would crumble like a once popular Patsy Cline song (Gene can help you decipher this).

(06-03-2019 02:10 AM)James Wrote:  Dave - just my personal opinion, but anyone who conflates geocentric THEORIES and dwarf planets that no one can see ... with an unassailable truth shall hereby forfeit all rights and privileges for membership in the Common Sense Community.
Not to worry though, this in no way impacts the eligibility requirements for admittance into an antithetical entity known as the Lincoln Community.

(06-03-2019 02:00 AM)Steve Wrote:  Here's a comparison of the woman with Mary (although Mary's dag on the right dates from a decade earlier based on the other woman's clothing). Just study the couple's faces and compare them to the known images. Where's the resemblance at all to either of the Lincolns?

(06-03-2019 09:32 AM)L Verge Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 02:00 AM)Steve Wrote:  Here's a comparison of the woman with Mary (although Mary's dag on the right dates from a decade earlier based on the other woman's clothing). Just study the couple's faces and compare them to the known images. Where's the resemblance at all to either of the Lincolns?

And, referring to your claim that Mary Lincoln had a noticeable scar on her forehead, I contacted one of the best known authors in the field who specializes in the history of Mrs. Lincoln. Here is the reply: "The daguerreotype is so obviously not Abraham and Mary Lincoln I don't even know what to say... In reading (literally) everything ever written by and about Mary Lincoln... , I can tell you I have never heard mention of a scar on her forehead. If there was a scar, I agree with you that one or more reporters would have written about it, some DC socialite who hated Mary would have written it in a later memoir, and Mary herself definitely would have complained about it in her own letters."

(06-02-2019 05:24 PM)James Wrote:  There are several colorful descriptions describing Abe's right side, a couple of which are highlighted in the Kunhardt's book I mentioned. Something to the effect that he teetered to one side like a sailor trying to find his sea legs. There are more descriptions that I've run across over the years that I can't recall at the moment but they are well documented, and coupled with the photographic record, leave little doubt about his right side being "compromised" for lack of a better term.

(06-03-2019 09:32 AM)L Verge Wrote:  [quote='Steve' pid='77155' dateline='1559541608']

And, referring to your claim that Mary Lincoln had a noticeable scar on her forehead, I contacted one of the best known authors in the field who specializes in the history of Mrs. Lincoln. Here is the reply: "The daguerreotype is so obviously not Abraham and Mary Lincoln I don't even know what to say... In reading (literally) everything ever written by and about Mary Lincoln... , I can tell you I have never heard mention of a scar on her forehead. If there was a scar, I agree with you that one or more reporters would have written about it, some DC socialite who hated Mary would have written it in a later memoir, and Mary herself definitely would have complained about it in her own letters."

(06-03-2019 10:50 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  

(06-02-2019 05:24 PM)James Wrote:  There are several colorful descriptions describing Abe's right side, a couple of which are highlighted in the Kunhardt's book I mentioned. Something to the effect that he teetered to one side like a sailor trying to find his sea legs. There are more descriptions that I've run across over the years that I can't recall at the moment but they are well documented, and coupled with the photographic record, leave little doubt about his right side being "compromised" for lack of a better term.

James - this morning I went through my copy of Dr. John Sotos' The Physical Lincoln. As far as I know, this is the most complete study of the physical Abraham Lincoln that has ever been published. I cannot find anything in the book where Dr. Sotos finds that Lincoln's right shoulder, arm, and hand were "compromised." I am 100% confident that if what you say were true Dr. Sotos would have spent time discussing it in his study.

I find this particularly interesting because Dr. Sotos believes Lincoln suffered from a rare genetic cancer syndrome called MEN2B (multiple endocrine neoplasia, type 2B). So he is especially looking for any weaknesses, irregularities, oddities, etc. in Lincoln's physique. Yet there is no mention of this right side weakness you indicate you have read about.

You say that you have run across "more descriptions" over the years - please do your best to post these "well documented" descriptions. I will look forward to reading your citations.

(06-03-2019 09:31 AM)davg2000 Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 02:10 AM)James Wrote:  Dave - just my personal opinion, but anyone who conflates geocentric THEORIES and dwarf planets that no one can see ... with an unassailable truth shall hereby forfeit all rights and privileges for membership in the Common Sense Community.
Not to worry though, this in no way impacts the eligibility requirements for admittance into an antithetical entity known as the Lincoln Community.

James and Donna (and I'm beginning to think it might be only Donna)-- Bona fide Lincoln relics are in a special niche in history. A true Lincoln relic, once discovered, must be authenticated by an authority, or the owner must be able to establish a chain of ownership from the Lincolns to the present. If you can't cite the photograph's provenance (maybe you have, and I missed it), then you must rely on authority. Have you consulted Daniel Weinberg, at the Abraham Lincoln Book Shop? I've heard him speak--he's objective. How about Harold Holzer, who has made studies of Lincoln's image? Both of these people would tell you what they sincerely believe to be the truth. And if they agreed with you, their opinions would truly matter. Suppose they didn't agree with you--then what? If you have no clear provenance, then the only course left to you is public opinion. Write a book, and hope it is read.

I have been again to abeandmarydag.com and re-read the photograph's history--history and provenance aren't the same thing. Where is the dag's connection to Lincoln?

About the "Unassailable Truth"--If truth were unassailable, then none of us would have to think. The maddening fact is that the future often enough reveals that an idea once derided, is in fact so. Maybe you will just have to wait for the rest of us to see the truth.

When I responded to Donna some time ago, I mentioned that one main effect of sarcasm, which you employ in a way similar to Donna, is to undermine the user's credibility. You do your cause no favors. I understand that you are frustrated, and your long recent post does indicate that you are sincere. But I think that you are also wrong.