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RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Rob Wick - 06-23-2023 06:51 AM

Sorry gentleman, but Roger nailed it! In 1944, a Liberty ship was christened the SS Ida M. Tarbell. I am in the early stages of researching this, but it appears to have seen some action in the Philippines, although the ship was not a combat ship but rather a cargo ship.

Exactly how Tarbell's name was chosen is unknown, but I hope to find out soon. Most ships were named after famous people of the time or earlier. At its peak, shipyards were turning out three ships a day. I am working with the National Archives to get as much documentation as possible.

The ship was only in service for two years. Evidently, Liberty ships were built so quickly that many suffered from poor quality. In 1947 the Coast Guard sold the Tarbell to a Greek company (over 529 of the ships were sold to Greece after World War II), and was scuttled in 1968.

Great job, Roger!

Best
Rob


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Rob Wick - 08-03-2023 12:34 PM

Welcome to the latest edition of Tough Tarbell Trivia. Today's question is:

Of whom was Tarbell speaking when she wrote, "This whole attack on [redacted] has seemed to me both ignorant and unkind. I wish I could do more to get him a fair hearing. That will come in time, however. The great thing is, in my judgment, is not to allow him to agonize over it too much, as I am afraid he is doing."

You may Google to your heart's content.

Best
Rob


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - RJNorton - 08-03-2023 03:18 PM

Herbert Hoover?


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Rob Wick - 08-03-2023 03:28 PM

Good guess Roger, but it isn't Hoover.

I will say he's been mentioned on the forum, but not very often.

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Rob


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Anita - 08-03-2023 03:59 PM

Eugene Debs?


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Rob Wick - 08-03-2023 04:48 PM

Another good guess Anita, but it isn't Debs.

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Rob


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - AussieMick - 08-04-2023 06:19 AM

Ward Hill Lamon ?


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Gene C - 08-04-2023 08:29 AM

Henry Clay Whitney ?


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Rob Wick - 08-04-2023 09:55 AM

Sorry gentlemen, but it's not Whitney or Lamon.

Clue: He was alive when Tarbell made the comment.

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Rob


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - David Lockmiller - 08-04-2023 10:23 AM

(08-03-2023 12:34 PM)Rob Wick Wrote:  Tarbell speaking: "This whole attack on [redacted] has seemed to me both ignorant and unkind. I wish I could do more to get him a fair hearing. That will come in time, however. The great thing is, in my judgment, is not to allow him to agonize over it too much, as I am afraid he is doing."

You may Google to your heart's content.

Best
Rob

I did google the last part of the quote which led me to a disagreement that Lincoln seems to have with Tarbell about what should be done when falsely accused.

In his last public address, Lincoln said: "As a general rule, I abstain from reading the reports of attacks upon myself, wishing not to be provoked by that to which I cannot properly offer an answer." (Complete Works of Lincoln, Nicolay and Hay, Editors, New York, [1905], xi, 85.)

Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 8, p. 401-402, April 11, 1865:

"As a general rule, I abstain from reading the reports of attacks upon myself, wishing not to be provoked by that to which I can not properly offer an answer. In spite of this precaution, however, it comes to my knowledge that I am much censured for some supposed agency in setting up, and seeking to sustain, the new State Government of Louisiana. In this I have done just so much as, and no more than, the public knows. In the Annual Message of Dec. 1863 and accompanying Proclamation, I presented a plan of re-construction (as the phrase goes) which, I promised, if adopted by any State, should be acceptable to, and sustained by, the Executive government of the nation. I distinctly stated that this was not the only plan which might possibly be acceptable; and I also distinctly protested that the Executive claimed no right to say when, or whether members should be admitted to seats in Congress from such States. This plan was, in advance, submitted to the then Cabinet, and distinctly approved by every member of it. . . ."


I have been shown a letter on this subject, supposed to be an able one, in which the writer expresses regret that my mind has not seemed to be definitely fixed on the question whether the seceded States, so called, are in the Union or out of it. It would perhaps, add astonishment to his regret, were he to learn that since I have found professed Union men endeavoring to make that question, I have purposely forborne any public expression upon it. As appears to me that question has not been, nor yet is, a practically material one, and that any discussion of it, while it thus remains practically immaterial, could have no effect other than the mischievous one of dividing our friends. As yet, whatever it may hereafter become, that question is bad, as the basis of a controversy, and good for nothing at all---a merely pernicious abstraction."


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - RJNorton - 08-04-2023 11:32 AM

John D. Rockefeller?


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Rob Wick - 08-04-2023 12:58 PM

That would definitely be ironic, Roger, but it's not John D.

Clue: Both Tarbell and this person were born in Pennsylvania and were in Paris at the same time, although they didn't know each other then.

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Rob


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - AussieMick - 08-04-2023 04:31 PM

Woodrow Wilson ?


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - Rob Wick - 08-04-2023 04:48 PM

Sorry Mike, but it isn't Wilson.

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Rob


RE: Tough Tarbell Trivia - AussieMick - 08-04-2023 08:30 PM

Andrew Carnegie ?