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RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - L Verge - 12-20-2013 07:52 PM
Yes, it certainly does and is actively practiced by whites, blacks, and other races. It also exists in most countries -- and obviously is thrown into the ring by liberals and political groups where they practice a similar form of racism by pitting whites against whites and blacks against blacks, and ideologies against ideologies, etc.
I have mentioned before that I admire the writings of Dr. Ben Carson. He will tell you right up front that liberal programs and members of his own race are doing as much to hurt people as anything else. Rev. Jeremiah Wright is just one example that Dr. Carson has used.
Since I was teaching during integration - and before you were born - I have seen a lot of racism emanating from all sides. Good luck in wiping it out. Sitting and pointing the finger at one another isn't gonna do it - that just increases the problem.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Jim Garrett - 12-20-2013 08:22 PM
It's unfortunate that people try to dumb down the issues that propelled this country into a War Between the States so much that we recognize two of this country's greatest leaders as "the enemy". So much for reconstruction. Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. Jackson have inspired countless American heroes over the last 150 years, To consider them as "the enemy" does a great disservice to our history and the honor that these two great men so richly deserve.
As a young boy, George S. Patton would kneel at the foot of his bed every night and look up towards the headboard and pray. Just over his bed were the portraits of Lee and Jackson. It wasn't until he was much older that he realized they weren't pictures of God and Jesus. To a Southern family, driven out of Virginia by reconstruction to start a new life in California, these two heroes provided the inspiration to rebuild their lives. Without Lee, Jackson, Stuart and Mosby, we might not ever have known the name Patton. Without the name of Patton in our military lexicon, we might be speaking German today.
We cannot underestimate the value of these two great men.
nuff said.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - LincolnMan - 12-21-2013 06:39 AM
(12-20-2013 07:52 PM)L Verge Wrote: Yes, it certainly does and is actively practiced by whites, blacks, and other races. It also exists in most countries -- and obviously is thrown into the ring by liberals and political groups where they practice a similar form of racism by pitting whites against whites and blacks against blacks, and ideologies against ideologies, etc.
I have mentioned before that I admire the writings of Dr. Ben Carson. He will tell you right up front that liberal programs and members of his own race are doing as much to hurt people as anything else. Rev. Jeremiah Wright is just one example that Dr. Carson has used.
Since I was teaching during integration - and before you were born - I have seen a lot of racism emanating from all sides. Good luck in wiping it out. Sitting and pointing the finger at one another isn't gonna do it - that just increases the problem.
A school in Detroit here was recently renamed The Ben Carson School of Science. He is an excellent role model. I have heard him speak- and greatly admire him personally.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - My Name Is Kate - 12-21-2013 07:02 AM
Nathan Beford Forrest High School is to be renamed.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/actionbreaking/story/School-Board-votes-to-rename-Nathan-Bedford/3UwEVTL4LEOarGe3jinIFw.cspx
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Rsmyth - 12-21-2013 09:14 AM
Ah Joe, your psychological profile of me is off the mark but typical when addressing 20th century racial issues in this country. I will also dissagree with your assessment of the slavery issue viewed using 1860's standards that " it wasn't that bad." Occasionally I have a dream where I am in school and the class bell is ringing but I cannot locate my locker. Maybe you can tell me what that means?
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - L Verge - 12-21-2013 11:13 AM
Could it mean that you found school confusing, intimidating, and scary - and you wanted to find that locker and make it into class without being yelled at?
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Wild Bill - 12-21-2013 11:44 AM
Always remember George C Scott as Patton in the movie, when he defeated the German 10 PZ Div in N Africa:"Rommel, you magnificent SOB, I read your book!"
The same can be said of studying and honoring Forrest, Jackson and Lee--for the same reason we ought to study Grant, Sheridan and Sherman. The Germans studied Sherman's March to the Sea to hone blitzkrieg, i.e., never run at your target, go between two targets and let the enemy commit to one and you take the other. Never underestimate the enemy no matter how despicable you think he is.
I believe that Sun Tsu said something like that centuries ago. We need to grow up.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - J. Beckert - 12-21-2013 12:20 PM
(12-21-2013 09:14 AM)Rsmyth Wrote: Ah Joe, your psychological profile of me is off the mark but typical when addressing 20th century racial issues in this country. I will also dissagree with your assessment of the slavery issue viewed using 1860's standards that " it wasn't that bad." Occasionally I have a dream where I am in school and the class bell is ringing but I cannot locate my locker. Maybe you can tell me what that means?
Can't help you with that dream, Rich and if we disagree, that's O.K. too. I wasn't off the mark with you being a nice guy. That's a certainty.
I didn't say "it wasn't that bad", I said I don't agree with the "they should have known better" angle. Just my feelings.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Gene C - 12-21-2013 12:43 PM
Well said Wild Bill
I always kind of liked John Magruder. He may not have been the greatest battlefield commander, but he sure knew how to bluff and pull one over on McClellan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Magruder
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Rsmyth - 12-21-2013 02:44 PM
Jim Garrett and I were just talking about that episode with Rommel and I wholeheartedly agree with placing his picture on the wall of the military college as someone whose military tactics and strategy should be studied along with Sitting Bull and Chief Joseph. Lets include General Vo Nguyen Giap who defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu.Wild Bill, I just disagree with you about honoring Forest.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - L Verge - 12-21-2013 03:36 PM
Not to start another argument, but what makes Rommel better than Forrest? Are we judging on military matters or Nazi vs. Confederate? If the latter, someone's prejudices are showing... My old school education is showing, but "prejudice" is a word we used to use before "racism" was substituted for better sound bytes.
It reminds me of another teaching experience. About my second or third year of teaching, I had a young, cute, thirteen-year-old black girl ask me on the first day of class if I were prejudiced (in front of the whole class). My response was somewhat like this, "I don't care if you are green with purple and pink polka dots; if you don't do your assignments and flunk your tests, you are not going to pass this class."
I also taught with a great black art teacher who had the same thing pulled on him by a black mother when he called home to report her son's bad behavior. He was immediately accused of being prejudiced against black students - the mother had no idea what he looked like. He told her to visit him at school so that she would see that he was the same color as she. She couldn't think of another thing to say except that she would talk to her son.
Rob facetiously asked a few postings ago if racism still exists. The two examples that I just gave you contributed to my answer that it does exist and covers all elements of society in the world. And that's why it bothers me that Rommel should be compared with Forrest. 150 years have gone by, and old prejudices still exist. They have even led to lawsuits based on reverse discrimination. There are two sides to every coin -- some are just too lazy or too blind to turn the coin over.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Rob Wick - 12-21-2013 06:40 PM
I was far from being facetious, Laurie.
Best
Rob
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - L Verge - 12-21-2013 07:59 PM
I realize that, Rob. I was trying to be polite and not say sarcastic and obtuse.
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Kathleen - 12-21-2013 08:25 PM
Greetings,
I spoke with a woman who works at the Army school and she stated they were not going to remove the pictures, they were just going rearrange them in another room along with all the other portraits. The article didn't provide all of the information and was incorrect. We do the same thing from time to time at my employment, USAF Officer Training School.
Respectfully: Kathleen
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits? - Rob Wick - 12-21-2013 08:47 PM
(12-21-2013 07:59 PM)L Verge Wrote: I realize that, Rob. I was trying to be polite and not say sarcastic and obtuse.
You're so funny.
Best
Rob