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RE: VP Beast Butler? - Wild Bill - 12-22-2014 02:06 PM
Aw, come on! Fillmore is revered in at least one state of the union, Utah. Since he put the Mormon church hierarchy in charge of the civil or Territorial Government there is a Millard County of which the county seat is Fillmore. Knew a really nice girl from there many years ago. . . .
RE: VP Beast Butler? - Thomas Thorne - 12-23-2014 12:34 AM
(12-22-2014 07:56 AM)Gene C Wrote: Here are some interesting items about Millard Fillmore
http://www.classroomhelp.com/lessons/Presidents/fillmore.html
Thanks for the Millard Fillmore bio ,Gene, but the people who compiled it made some errors.
Fillmore was only the Whig VP candidate in 1848 not 1844 as well. The bathtub story was a concoction of H L Mencken. Fillmore did seek the Whig nomination in 1852 and was the American{Know Nothing} party candidate for president in 1856 despite the fact that Fillmore's daughter attended a Catholic school.
I have read that Thomas Ewing Sr, the formidable patriarch of the Ewing family,whose son,Thomas Jr issued General Order 11 and was Dr Mudd's attorney, and whose daughter Ellen married William T Sherman, was considered to be Taylor's likely VP but was disqualified because of his marriage to a Catholic.
Tom
RE: VP Beast Butler? - Jim Garrett - 12-23-2014 09:51 PM
What a great thread!!! From Ben "the Beast" Butler, to Jesse James to Millard Fillmore!!! Is there some way we can link this to Kevin Bacon?
RE: VP Beast Butler? - LincolnToddFan - 12-23-2014 10:18 PM
LOL!!!! Make it happen, somebody!
RE: VP Beast Butler? - HerbS - 12-24-2014 06:22 AM
Kevin Bacon can do the acting of each role!
RE: VP Beast Butler? - Houmes - 12-24-2014 04:48 PM
(12-23-2014 09:51 PM)Jim Garrett Wrote: What a great thread!!! From Ben "the Beast" Butler, to Jesse James to Millard Fillmore!!! Is there some way we can link this to Kevin Bacon?
Actually, he's related by marriage to President Fillmore. Google him and find out his wife, Kyra Sedgwick is somehow a descendant.
RE: VP Beast Butler? - HerbS - 12-24-2014 06:58 PM
Thanks for the information Jim!
RE: VP Beast Butler? - LincolnToddFan - 12-26-2014 11:01 AM
(12-24-2014 04:48 PM)Houmes Wrote:(12-23-2014 09:51 PM)Jim Garrett Wrote: What a great thread!!! From Ben "the Beast" Butler, to Jesse James to Millard Fillmore!!! Is there some way we can link this to Kevin Bacon?
Actually, he's related by marriage to President Fillmore. Google him and find out his wife, Kyra Sedgwick is somehow a descendant.
Houmes, I am sitting here with my mug of hot cocoa, staring in disbelief. Simply amazing!
RE: VP Beast Butler? - Houmes - 12-26-2014 02:18 PM
(12-26-2014 11:01 AM)LincolnToddFan Wrote:(12-24-2014 04:48 PM)Houmes Wrote:(12-23-2014 09:51 PM)Jim Garrett Wrote: What a great thread!!! From Ben "the Beast" Butler, to Jesse James to Millard Fillmore!!! Is there some way we can link this to Kevin Bacon?
Actually, he's related by marriage to President Fillmore. Google him and find out his wife, Kyra Sedgwick is somehow a descendant.
Houmes, I am sitting here with my mug of hot cocoa, staring in disbelief. Simply amazing!
Actually, it's even better than that. After a little internet research, Kevin Bacon and his wife Kyra Sedgwick are found to be cousins, 9th cousins once removed. So Bacon is related to Fillmore both by blood and marriage. Some cynics would argue there's no difference.
RE: VP Beast Butler? - HerbS - 12-26-2014 04:06 PM
I have always wondered about Bacon.Now who knows?
RE: VP Beast Butler? - Thomas Thorne - 12-26-2014 11:01 PM
Ben Butler is one of those historical characters who compels you to take a bath after reading about him.
It is interesting he is most infamous for his order to his command to treat women who insulted or dumped the contents of chamber pots on Union soldiers as prostitutes. This won him international execration. It tells you something about the social mores of the Victorian era that Butler is more remembered for this decree than his extravagant thefts and participation in contraband activity that enriched Butler,his friends and sometimes even the Confederacy.
Tom
RE: VP Beast Butler? - HerbS - 12-27-2014 07:13 AM
You must shower in a chemical bath after you read about Butler and Banks!Oh, what a great feeling after a shower!
RE: VP Beast Butler? - Wild Bill - 12-27-2014 07:16 AM
Thomas makes a good point. For those who might be interested, a good article that looks at the subordinate commands under Butler and that also copied his light fingered actions towards private property, see Frank L. Byrne, '"A Terrible Machine': General Neal Dow's Military Government on the Gulf Coast," Civil War History 12 (March 1966): 5-22. Dow was a moralist who developed the State of Maine's "Blue Laws" on temperance and lost his morality when he was a department commander in the Pensacola, Florida, region. He repented later and condemned the excesses of military government as a "terrible machine" or a fire raging out of control.
RE: VP Beast Butler? - HerbS - 12-27-2014 07:29 AM
Thank you Wild Bill,I agree 100%!
RE: VP Beast Butler? - J. Beckert - 12-27-2014 07:54 AM
(12-26-2014 11:01 PM)Thomas Thorne Wrote: Ben Butler is one of those historical characters who compels you to take a bath after reading about him.
I agree, Thomas. Butler's crimes and reprehensible conduct are covered in detail in his own chapter in Walter Cisco's "War Crimes Against Southern Civilians". That book should be required reading for anyone who thinks the Union Army's only mission was a Divine one to free the slaves.