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RE: The Slave Ship - L Verge - 11-16-2014 12:59 PM
I would like to think that you are right about 21st-century abolitionists, Rich, but the ones that seem to be most vocal in the realm of human rights never seem to get past 1865...
RE: The Slave Ship - Eva Elisabeth - 11-16-2014 05:15 PM
(11-16-2014 08:13 AM)HerbS Wrote: My family is from Germany[Black Forest area]and my uncle was killed over Germany in a bomber in WW2.My grandfather never spoke German [in the house]again.Thanks for sharing such sad private memories! I understand your grandfather. May I ask - when did your family immigrate (respectively emigrate) to the USA?
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-16-2014 06:29 PM
The first ones came in 1850.My great-grandfather was in the Civil War.Thus,my interest began.
RE: The Slave Ship - Eva Elisabeth - 11-18-2014 04:18 AM
So many Germans fought in the CW, the largest "foreign" group. From James McPherson: "What They Fought For":
Immigrants in the Union and Confederate Army during the CW
The Union Army was composed of many different ethnic groups, including large numbers of immigrants. About 25% of the white people who served in the Union Army were foreign-born. Breakdown of the approximately 2.2 million Union soldiers:
• 1,000,000 (45.4% of all Union soldiers) native-born Americans of British ancestry.
• 516,000 (23.4%) Germans; about 216,000 were born in Germany.
• 210,000 (9.5%) African American. Half were freedmen who lived in the North, and half were ex-slaves or escaped slaves from the South. They served in more than 160 "colored" regiments. One such regiment, the 54th Massachusetts, is dramaticized in the film Glory. Others served under white officers in Federal regiments organized as the United States Colored Troops (USCT).
• 200,000 (9.1%) Irish.
• 90,000 (4.1%) Dutch.
• 50,000 (2.3%) Canadian.
• 50,000 (2.3%) born in England.
• 40,000 (1.8%) French or French Canadian. About half were born in the United States of America, the other half in Quebec.
• 20,000 (0.9%) Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish).
• 7,000 Italian
• 7,000 Jewish
• 6,000 Mexican
• 5,000 Polish (many of whom served in the Polish Legion of Brig. Gen. Włodzimierz Krzyżanowski)
• 4,000 Native Americans
• Several hundred of other various nationalities. Many immigrant soldiers formed their own regiments, such as the Irish Brigade (69th New York, 63rd New York, 88th New York, 28th Massachusetts, 116th Pennsylvania); the Swiss Rifles (15th Missouri); the Gardes Lafayette (55th New York); the Garibaldi Guard (39th New York); the Martinez Militia (1st New Mexico); the Polish Legion (58th New York); the German Rangers (52nd New York); the Highlander Regiment (79th New York); and the Scandinavian Regiment (15th Wisconsin). But most of the foreign-born soldiers were scattered as individuals throughout units.
The Confederate Army: For comparison, the Confederate Army was not very diverse: 91% of Confederate soldiers were native born and only 9% were foreign-born, Irish being the largest group with others including Germans, French, Mexicans (though most of them simply happened to have been born when the Southwest was still part of Mexico), and British. Some Southern propaganda compared foreign-born soldiers in the Union Army to the hated Hessians of the American Revolution. Also a relatively small number of Native Americans (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, and Creek) fought for the Confederacy.
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-18-2014 06:32 AM
Eva-My famiy from Germany,were Potato farmers,but,they fought for what they thought was"the right thing to do".
RE: The Slave Ship - Jim Garrett - 11-18-2014 07:23 AM
(11-16-2014 12:59 PM)L Verge Wrote: I would like to think that you are right about 21st-century abolitionists, Rich, but the ones that seem to be most vocal in the realm of human rights never seem to get past 1865...
It seems like as long as their is an economic benefit to slavery, it will exist in some form or another. Unfortunately throughout history, religion, or an interpretation of a religion justifies slavery. Just look at Isis.
(11-18-2014 06:32 AM)HerbS Wrote: Eva-My famiy from Germany,were Potato farmers,but,they fought for what they thought was"the right thing to do".
Now as before, many families and communities held on to the traditions or the old country. My grt grt grt grandfather was a regimental commander under Stonewall Jackson. He was described as a jovial Dutchman (Deutschman). Yet he was two generations removed from the fatherland.