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RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - LincolnMan - 06-01-2013 02:08 PM
(06-01-2013 01:53 PM)Joe Di Cola Wrote:(02-14-2013 10:47 AM)LincolnMan Wrote: What's that old saying-something like "the Beatles come to play your town and the Stones to wreck it?"
Bill,
While the Stones have had lasting power because they stayed together, their music never "evolved" like to Beatles' music did--which made the Beatles more lasting in the impression they have had on music in general. Lennon and McCartney were geniuses. So, I liked your quip.
Joe
Joe: I agree. Speaking for myself during the time of the Beatles music-the 60's-each new Beatles album ushered in a new era-especially the Sgt. Pepper LP. Do you know what I'm referring to? No Stones release ever had that impact on me. They were the trend-setters in other ways too. It wasn't the Stones that led me to go from having a brush-cut hair cut in 1964 to a "mop top"- it was the Beatles. I could go on and on...
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Joe Di Cola - 06-01-2013 02:16 PM
(06-01-2013 02:08 PM)LincolnMan Wrote:(06-01-2013 01:53 PM)Joe Di Cola Wrote:(02-14-2013 10:47 AM)LincolnMan Wrote: What's that old saying-something like "the Beatles come to play your town and the Stones to wreck it?"
Bill,
While the Stones have had lasting power because they stayed together, their music never "evolved" like to Beatles' music did--which made the Beatles more lasting in the impression they have had on music in general. Lennon and McCartney were geniuses. So, I liked your quip.
Joe
Joe: I agree. Speaking for myself during the time of the Beatles music-the 60's-each new Beatles album ushered in a new era-especially the Sgt. Pepper LP. Do you know what I'm referring to? No Stones release ever had that impact on me. They were the trend-setters in other ways too. It wasn't the Stones that led me to go from having a brush-cut hair cut in 1964 to a "mop top"- it was the Beatles. I could go on and on...
Bill,
Me, too, I still have some of my old 33 and 1/3 LPs and they are even better than the digitalized stuff, which needs a shot of digitalis to revive it--HaHa. I saw them play at the old Comiskey Park on their 2nd trip to Chicago. Great memories! Yeah, yeah, yeah!
Joe
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Hess1865 - 06-01-2013 06:21 PM
I'll be going up to Philadelphia on June 18 to see the Rolling Stones.
This will be my 46th Stones show since 1972
Like I said, I'm a die-hard fan.
BTW, comparing the Stones with the Beatles is like comparing apples and oranges.
Two decidedly different types of music.
Beatles=great pop music
Stones=great rock and roll
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - LincolnMan - 06-01-2013 06:23 PM
(06-01-2013 06:21 PM)Hess1865 Wrote: I'll be going up to Philadelphia on June 18 to see the Rolling Stones.
This will be my 46th Stones show since 1972
Like I said, I'm a die-hard fan.
BTW, comparing the Stones with the Beatles is strictly apples and oranges.
That's quite a record! Rock on.
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Eva Elisabeth - 06-01-2013 07:01 PM
(06-01-2013 02:16 PM)Joe Di Cola Wrote:(06-01-2013 02:08 PM)LincolnMan Wrote:(06-01-2013 01:53 PM)Joe Di Cola Wrote:(02-14-2013 10:47 AM)LincolnMan Wrote: What's that old saying-something like "the Beatles come to play your town and the Stones to wreck it?"
Bill,
While the Stones have had lasting power because they stayed together, their music never "evolved" like to Beatles' music did--which made the Beatles more lasting in the impression they have had on music in general. Lennon and McCartney were geniuses. So, I liked your quip.
Joe
Joe: I agree. Speaking for myself during the time of the Beatles music-the 60's-each new Beatles album ushered in a new era-especially the Sgt. Pepper LP. Do you know what I'm referring to? No Stones release ever had that impact on me. They were the trend-setters in other ways too. It wasn't the Stones that led me to go from having a brush-cut hair cut in 1964 to a "mop top"- it was the Beatles. I could go on and on...
Bill,
Me, too, I still have some of my old 33 and 1/3 LPs and they are even better than the digitalized stuff, which needs a shot of digitalis to revive it--HaHa. I saw them play at the old Comiskey Park on their 2nd trip to Chicago. Great memories! Yeah, yeah, yeah!
Joe
When it comes to the Beatles I suffer from Beatlemania. Yeah, yeah, yeah Joe, I have them all on vinyl + all the Lennon records. But what a lucky devil you were to see them live...Bill, I agree, they made history. (And don't forget the White Album and the first music video clip ever, "Strawberry Fields", and "All you need is love" on the first worldwide satelite program "Our World" and and and... IMO Beatles 4ever!)
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - LincolnMan - 06-01-2013 07:18 PM
(06-01-2013 07:01 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:(06-01-2013 02:16 PM)Joe Di Cola Wrote:(06-01-2013 02:08 PM)LincolnMan Wrote:(06-01-2013 01:53 PM)Joe Di Cola Wrote:(02-14-2013 10:47 AM)LincolnMan Wrote: What's that old saying-something like "the Beatles come to play your town and the Stones to wreck it?"
Bill,
While the Stones have had lasting power because they stayed together, their music never "evolved" like to Beatles' music did--which made the Beatles more lasting in the impression they have had on music in general. Lennon and McCartney were geniuses. So, I liked your quip.
Joe
Joe: I agree. Speaking for myself during the time of the Beatles music-the 60's-each new Beatles album ushered in a new era-especially the Sgt. Pepper LP. Do you know what I'm referring to? No Stones release ever had that impact on me. They were the trend-setters in other ways too. It wasn't the Stones that led me to go from having a brush-cut hair cut in 1964 to a "mop top"- it was the Beatles. I could go on and on...
Bill,
Me, too, I still have some of my old 33 and 1/3 LPs and they are even better than the digitalized stuff, which needs a shot of digitalis to revive it--HaHa. I saw them play at the old Comiskey Park on their 2nd trip to Chicago. Great memories! Yeah, yeah, yeah!
Joe
When it comes to the Beatles I suffer from Beatlemania. Yeah, yeah, yeah Joe, I have them all on vinyl + all the Lennon records...Bill, I agree, they made history. (And don't forget the White Album and the first music video clip ever, "Strawberry Fields", and "All you need is love" on the first worldwide satelite program "Our World" and and and... IMO Beatles forever!)
Eva: I'm with you on all of it! And I was there for all of it- from their introduction to America on the Ed Sullivan Show to the end with Abbey Road and Let It Be. I even looked for the clues pertaining to the "Paul is dead" hoax.
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Eva Elisabeth - 06-01-2013 07:39 PM
I crossed the suspicious Abbey Road crosswalk.
Lennon had a lot of trouble with the Nixon admin. due to his involvement in the anti-Vietnam war movement.
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Liz Rosenthal - 06-01-2013 10:23 PM
It's strange how the "Does Lincoln Still Matter" thread has turned into a Stones v. Beatles discussion!
I'll just pipe in that while I agree that the Beatles had a much greater cultural impact than the Stones, I think the Stones were/are much better musicians. The Stones were the live band that the Beatles never were. And, to me, when it comes to music, the true test of a great musician is his or her live performing prowess, regardless of genre!
Having said that, it's hard not to have a soft spot for John Lennon, but for me it was his personality, and what he stood for, that I admired.
Since we're talking about "faves," I'll note my diehard fandom for Elton John. A lot of people don't realize what an incredibly amazing musician he is... and that's why I became a fan in the first place, well after the costume period had ended. The album purchases immediately followed. Many people like to put down Elton's musical creds, but ask anybody in rock, young or old, and they'll tell you he's a musician's musician. He is greatly admired among his peers. By the way, he and John Lennon were close friends in the 70s, and Elton was named godfather to Lennon's son Sean. Elton and Mick are also pretty chummy.
Bringing this back to Lincoln, the reason that Lincoln still matters is multi-fold. One of the reasons is that he brings disparate people together in conversation, much like rock 'n roll does.
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Rogerm - 06-02-2013 12:16 AM
I got to visit the Red Rocks Theater near Denver, CO in the summer of 1965 a day before the Beatles performed there. There were different graffiti messages on the walls of the theater; one which said, "We love you Ringo!"
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Hess1865 - 06-02-2013 10:20 AM
Don't forget, Abbey Road studio was once the home Asia Booth Clarke.....truly a strange Lincoln assassination-Beatles connection!!
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - LincolnMan - 06-02-2013 10:29 AM
There you go! I was racking my brain trying to think if there was a connection! Great link!
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - L Verge - 06-02-2013 10:32 AM
I think there's another connection with the church in Liverpool where Paul McCartney used to sing in the choir became a haven for John Surratt for awhile on his road to Rome.
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - LincolnMan - 06-02-2013 10:38 AM
Wow! Nice one Laurie. Speaking of Liverpool, didn't the last Confedrate naval vessel end up there-many months after the war ended?
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - Eva Elisabeth - 06-02-2013 06:01 PM
CSS Shenandoah. The crew committed piracy and feared to surrender in a US harbour.
RE: Why does Lincoln still matter? - L Verge - 06-02-2013 06:14 PM
Speaking of ships, I ran across this little-known tidbit while working on the Surratt Courier for July:
Thursday July 16 1863
NIPPONESE NAVAL NAUGHTINESS NEGATED
It is seldom noted, but the first naval battle between ships of the United States and Japan occurred today, and in connection with the American Civil War. The USS Wyoming was searching for the feared Confederate commerce raider Alabama. She pulled in to dock at Yokohama unaware that the authorities had just ordered every foreigner to leave Japan immediately. In addition, foreign ships were forbidden to use the Straits of Shimonoseki. Wyoming’s captain, David Stockton McDougal, objected to this and sailed into the straits. There he faced most of the Japanese navy, as well as shore batteries. In a fierce fight, several junks were sunk and some batteries destroyed. McDougal won, at the cost of five dead, six wounded and some damage to the ships. A larger international fleet later forced the Japanese to retract the expulsion orders and reopen the straits.