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RE: Where would you find this opinion? - Gene C - 03-26-2022 02:11 PM
(03-26-2022 02:04 PM)AussieMick Wrote:(03-26-2022 02:00 PM)Gene C Wrote:(03-26-2022 12:17 PM)AussieMick Wrote: A disaster in a German city in 1958 has a link to the answer.
( Googling is allowed. I only suggested it would be difficult)
Munich ?
as in The Munich Air Disaster of 1958
Yes, Gene ... thats the one . And thus you should be able to get the linked UK city ( I think Roger got it)
I'm glad you saved my post.
I accidentally deleted it.
Is the UK city Manchester ?
RE: Where would you find this opinion? - AussieMick - 03-26-2022 02:19 PM
Yes! Now ... maybe check back and see one or other or both Youtube clips .
RE: Where would you find this opinion? - AussieMick - 03-26-2022 03:20 PM
Spelling of Working men with a hyphen might help in google search ....
RE: Where would you find this opinion? - Gene C - 03-26-2022 06:52 PM
could it be
The address to Lincoln by The Working-Men 0f Manchester England in 1862 ?
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/address-president-lincoln-working-men-manchester-england-31-december-1862
RE: Where would you find this opinion? - AussieMick - 03-26-2022 10:26 PM
Yes, Gene, it certainly could. You got it. Well done.
The stomach ache clue related to Lincoln's statue which is in Manchester, and copy in Louisville Ky.
I don't know who 'moved' the resolution that the Address be sent to Lincoln. It could have been Edward Hooson.
RE: Where would you find this opinion? - Gene C - 03-27-2022 07:02 AM
Thanks, I couldn't digest the stomach clue, but Google helped me.
RE: Where would you find this opinion? - David Lockmiller - 04-04-2022 11:16 AM
(03-26-2022 10:53 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote: Diplomatic recognition of Haiti and Liberia had long been resisted on the grounds that those nations might send blacks to represent them at Washington. Lincoln, however, did not object to that possibility. When James Redpath told him that President Fabre Nicolas Geffrard of Haiti was willing to appoint a white representative rather than a black one to Washington, Lincoln replied: "Well -- you can tell Mr. Geffrard that I shan't tear my shirt if he does send a negro here!"
The Haitian government appointed a black army colonel, Ernest Roumain, as its first minister to the United States.
Abraham Lincoln: A Life, Vol. Two, p. 351, by Professor Michael Burlingame.
I presume that "I shan't tear my shirt" may be a reference to Robert Burns' poem, but I do not know.
I now believe that this may be a reference made by President Lincoln to Hamlet - Act 3, Scene 2.
I Googled various terms and eventually found the following:
No Fear
Hamlet
Act 3 Scene 2
ORIGINAL TEXT
Enter Hamlet and Players
HAMLET
Speak the speech, I pray you, as I pronounced it to you, trippingly on the tongue. But if you mouth it, as many of your players do, I had as lief the town crier spoke my lines. Nor do not saw the air too much with your hand thus, but use all gently, for in the very torrent, tempest, and (as I may say) whirlwind of passion, you must acquire and beget a temperance that may give it smoothness. Oh, it offends me to the soul to hear a robustious periwig-pated fellow tear a passion to tatters, to very rags, to split the ears of the groundlings, who for the most part are capable of nothing but inexplicable dumb-shows and noise. I would have such a fellow whipped for o'erdoing Termagant. It out-Herods Herod. Pray you, avoid it.
Be not too tame neither, but let your own discretion be your tutor. Suit the action to the word, the word to the action, with this special observance that you o'erstep not the modesty of nature. For anything so overdone is from the purpose of playing, whose end, both at the first and now, was and is to hold, as ’twere, the mirror up to nature, to show virtue her own feature, scorn her own image, and the very age and body of the time his form and pressure. Now this overdone or come tardy off, though it make the unskillful laugh, cannot but make the judicious grieve, the censure of the which one must in your allowance o'erweigh a whole theatre of others.
RE: Where would you find this opinion? - Linda Anderson - 04-11-2022 09:14 PM
(03-26-2022 12:03 PM)Gene C Wrote: I don't know about Robert Burns, but in the Bible, to tear (rent) one's clothing was a sign of mourning or distress
"11 Then David and all the men with him took hold of their clothes and tore them. 12 They mourned and wept and fasted till evening for Saul and his son Jonathan, and for the army of the Lord and for the nation of Israel, because they had fallen by the sword."
(2 Samuel 1:11-12)
Also, at the trial of Jesus, the high priest tore his robes just before he accused Jesus of blasphemy.