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RE: Mary and the African American church - L Verge - 04-10-2018 10:55 AM
For some reason, I remember reading about these events within the past year or two, and I think it may have been in the fairly new book on Mr. Lincoln's White House. The author's name is escaping me at the moment (maybe even a slightly different title). I'm still "hung-over" from sleep deprivation during the Surratt Conference.
RE: Mary and the African American church - Gene C - 04-10-2018 11:00 AM
Lincoln's White House by James Conroy ???
RE: Mary and the African American church - Steve - 04-10-2018 02:18 PM
(04-10-2018 10:28 AM)Donna McCreary Wrote: Thank you for posting all of the newspaper articles! But without dates for these articles, I am confused. Were there two events? or one? I found one article about the St. Matthew's Sunday School picnic, and another article about the Baptist Church fund raiser for the banner. So, were the two events combined into one with both churches participating? Or were there two events - one in July and one in August?There were three different events:
4 July 1864 - Picnic/fundraiser held by St. Matthew's Colored Sunday School on the White House lawn
11 July 1864 - Picnic/fundraiser held by the other St. Matthew's Sunday School (i.e. white) at Washington Park on 7th St.
4 Aug. 1864 - Picnic/fundraiser held by 3rd Colored Baptist Sabbath School on the White House lawn (although, from reading the announcement, it looks like this event was sponsored by several Sunday schools)
Donna the article about the 4 Aug. event is the one I thought you were referring to in your earlier post, it comes from page 3 of the 5 Aug. 1864 edition of the Washington Evening Star. The other three images are advertisements for the upcomming three events that appeared in the Star. Their publication dates (in the order Roger posted them) are:
1. 3 Aug. 1864
3. 1 July 1864
4. 10 July 1864
RE: Mary and the African American church - L Verge - 04-10-2018 02:43 PM
(04-10-2018 11:00 AM)Gene C Wrote: Lincoln's White House by James Conroy ???
I think that's the one...
RE: Mary and the African American church - L Verge - 04-10-2018 03:43 PM
This isn't what I was thinking of, but Reveille in Washington has a short description of one of the colored picnics:
https://books.google.com/books?id=MmkZzJWv21MC&pg=PT352&lpg=PT352&dq=colored+sunday+school+picnics+on+White+House+lawn&source=bl&ots=kq5LZf81Ne&sig=O8PQVfVwfjDikC-zCeNvKlFV8Q4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipy7zIyLDaAhUhhOAKHTWqDUkQ6AEIRTAI#v=onepage&q=colored%20sunday%20school%20picnics%20on%20White%20House%20lawn&f=false
Here's what I remember from Conroy's book: https://books.google.com/books?id=XfjwDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA211&lpg=PA211&dq=colored+sunday+school+picnics+on+White+House+lawn&source=bl&ots=Sa7moUFYrh&sig=JlMXR1aBCGPPOwwJDg03RdUzZBU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipy7zIyLDaAhUhhOAKHTWqDUkQ6AEIUDAK#v=onepage&q=colored%20sunday%20school%20picnics%20on%20White%20House%20lawn&f=false
RE: Mary and the African American church - Donna McCreary - 04-11-2018 03:50 AM
In his SIX MONTHS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, F. B. Carpenter described the event on July 4. I am surprised that he did not mention that one was held in August. Thanks to everyone for helping me sort this one out.
RE: Mary and the African American church - STS Lincolnite - 05-07-2018 01:27 PM
(04-11-2018 03:50 AM)Donna McCreary Wrote: In his SIX MONTHS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, F. B. Carpenter described the event on July 4. I am surprised that he did not mention that one was held in August. Thanks to everyone for helping me sort this one out.
Donna you find these talks of interest.
They both address aspects of the topic of this thread and are related to the ongoing discussion (especially Burlingame's to my recollection).
Kate Masur
https://www.c-span.org/video/?441631-2/african-americans-remember-lincoln
Michael Burlingame
https://www.c-span.org/video/?442254-9/abraham-lincoln-african-americans
Both speakers were in Springfield and involved in an ongoing discussion related to their talks in the panel session. I was in attendance. I would say there was some disagreement about various aspects of the talks (especially about Mary’s role and view on African Americans) but it was interesting to listen to how different people can interpret the same facts differently based on their own ideas and the influence of other sources that one or the other may not have been familiar with (or again just interpreted differently).