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RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - RJNorton - 03-19-2017 02:19 PM

(03-19-2017 02:14 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  What does the rest of the "signature" read (except for the date and name)? Can anyone figure?

Eva, my eyes are aging, but to me it looks like it may say "Copyrighted By" before Brady's name.

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - L Verge - 03-19-2017 06:15 PM

The Wikipedia page on Brady has his signature, but I can't get it to transfer here. Also, I can't make out clearly the signature on this photo in question. Like Roger, I can read "Copyrighted By fairly easily, but it is tricky after that. Could the original be scanned and enlarged?

I also failed to mention that much of the work credited to him was actually done by his employees. Brady's eyesight started failing before the Civil War.

If his company went into bankruptcy in the 1870s, how was he able to copyright something after that without re-establishing his business under another name? Who was doing his work for him if he did still have a company?

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Eva Elisabeth - 03-19-2017 07:06 PM

Please go here, Laurie:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levin_Corbin_Handy

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Susan Higginbotham - 03-19-2017 07:35 PM

Is there anything on back of the photograph?

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - windband - 03-19-2017 09:01 PM

Thanks again for all the detective work. The photo is larger then a cdv so I guess that would make it a cabinet card. The back of the photo is written "Brady Photo Washington DC" and in what looks like different ink 1859. Additionally I also have the original envelope that the Cabinet Card came with. It is unstamped and not dated but it is written

"For Mrs.(I believe the word is Mrs.) Miller with Mrs. Mosher's compliments" base on what was written in previous posts I wonder if this was maybe acquired by Charles D Mosher's studios and sent out after he acquired it by his wife.

I also cannot find a photo of Dr. Thomas Miller anywhere on the internet but he was definitely prominent enough to have been photographed by Brady so perhaps this is a photo of him.

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Darrell - 04-12-2017 03:58 PM

Hi Windband & All,

This is my first post, although I've enjoyed reading this forum for quite some time. I've never felt that I had anything of value to contribute -that is until now. However, based on my exhaustive research (i.e., randomly googling around - ha!) I think I've identified your photo.

I believe you have a photograph of Dr. James Crowdhill Hall. He was also a White House doctor and a close friend of Dr. Thomas Miller. Photos of both men can be found in "The White House Physician: A History from Washington to George W. Bush" by Ludwig M. Deppisch, M.D. (See pages 20 and 21 in the below Google Books link.)

Virginia Miller stated the following about their friendship in "Dr. Thomas Miller and His Times," published in 1900: (second link below)

"(Dr. James C. Hall) wrote me long after my father's death: 'Life has never been the same for me since your father's death. I miss him every day and hour,' and well he might say so, for there never was a day when they were both in town, during their long friendship of more than fifty years, that they did not meet for friendly converse, and it was quite a habit of Dr. Hall's to drop in and take breakfast or tea with us."

https://books.google.com/books?id=IqvuhJ6kAqkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=isbn:0786429763&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwja496825_TAhVrlFQKHUv4D1EQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/40066758.pdf

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - RJNorton - 04-12-2017 04:28 PM

Darrell, thank you very much for your research and post!

Unfortunately I cannot get p. 20 in "The White House Physician: A History from Washington to George W. Bush" to show on my computer. P.21 shows but not p. 20. I'll try again later.

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Dave Taylor - 04-12-2017 04:31 PM

Dr. James C. Hall was called to testify at the trial of the conspirators as to Lewis Powell's sanity. He stated his belief that Powell was perfectly sane. Dr. Hall is buried under a tall oblesk in D.C.'s Congressional Cemetery.

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Darrell - 04-12-2017 05:50 PM

(04-12-2017 04:28 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  Darrell, thank you very much for your research and post!

Unfortunately I cannot get p. 20 in "The White House Physician: A History from Washington to George W. Bush" to show on my computer. P.21 shows but not p. 20. I'll try again later.

I've been working on formatting the photo on p. 20 so I can post a side-by-side comparison (like you did with the Jefferson Davis photo). Hopefully, I'll be able to get the images to post.

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - L Verge - 04-12-2017 06:07 PM

(04-12-2017 05:50 PM)Darrell Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 04:28 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  Darrell, thank you very much for your research and post!

Unfortunately I cannot get p. 20 in "The White House Physician: A History from Washington to George W. Bush" to show on my computer. P.21 shows but not p. 20. I'll try again later.

I've been working on formatting the photo on p. 20 so I can post a side-by-side comparison (like you did with the Jefferson Davis photo). Hopefully, I'll be able to get the images to post.

Darrell, there is no doubt in my mind that you are correct in identifying the photo as one of Dr. James C. Hall. Thank you.

Thank you also for posting the link to the Miller article in the Columbia Historical Society. I have not yet read it word for word, but what I have skimmed brings back memories of good old D.C.

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Darrell - 04-12-2017 06:11 PM

OK, here's a comparison of Windband's recently acquired photo with the one in "The White House Physician." I'm not an expert, but I'd say they're from the same negative - or at least from the same sitting.

[Image: c6746944-1f8d-4c73-b0f7-c829cbe6d596_zpsqph2cvvn.png][Image: DrJamesCHall_zpsxoy6nob0.png]

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Gene C - 04-12-2017 07:25 PM

Nice work Darrell.

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - Eva Elisabeth - 04-12-2017 08:02 PM

Kudos - well done!!! (I like it when such "picture riddles" get definetly solved!

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - windband - 04-13-2017 07:27 AM

Darrell, thanks you so much figuring that out, and thanks for everyone's input and information. Dr. Hall was also one of doctors at Lincoln's bedside. I have a document sent To President Johnson requesting the pardon of Dr. Cornelius Boyle that includes his signature.

http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-1897-page-5.html

RE: Jefferson Davis CDV? - BettyO - 04-13-2017 09:14 AM

Wonderful to see a photo of Dr. Hall -

I do have his orbit if anyone is interested.