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RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-12-2014 12:25 PM
Typical Confederate excuse for racism.How can one man own another man?
RE: The Slave Ship - Eva Elisabeth - 11-12-2014 02:42 PM
Herb, please don't forget - not only the Confederates held slaves! (And I assume the excuses were everywhere the same.)
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-12-2014 04:05 PM
Eva-In the North they were called"Farmhands".But,in the North,there were big farm famlies to hide the word of slavery.In the South,they had poor-white share-croppers to keep the institution of slavery alive and well.Today,we have another name for it-migrant-farmers.So,go-figure.As long as a profit is to be made there will always be man's inhumanity to man!
RE: The Slave Ship - Wild Bill - 11-12-2014 04:18 PM
Look back in human history, People, and you will see until recently that freedom is the exception, the ideal, not the rule. Actually the United States under the Articles and then the Constitution is the exception in world government. And much of this goes through the British influence from the Magna Carta onward in dribs and dabs.
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-12-2014 06:55 PM
I agree with Wild Bill and his historical perspective.
RE: The Slave Ship - Eva Elisabeth - 11-12-2014 07:02 PM
The Germans' (and other Europeans') form of slavery was the "Leibeigenschaft". Wiki uses the term "serfdom", "bond slavery" meets it better IMO.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom
RE: The Slave Ship - Eva Elisabeth - 11-13-2014 04:03 AM
Allow me to remark and remind of that there exists still IMO a modern form of slavery, and I admit, too, might be a "slaveholder" as I at times buy cheap clothing or other products made in those countries, probably by children forced to labor:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/lwp/NLC_childlabor.html
I think the USA are ahead (compared to Germany) in selling less of these textiles etc. and more home (thus "fairly") made products instead (at least that was my impression).
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-13-2014 06:31 AM
Eva-Thanks for being so honest and forthcoming about your heritage.Slavery exists today in different forms.That is why we must study history to make sure that it does not happen again.Sometimes,I feel that we are fighting a never-ending uphill battle.The USA does not have a clean record when it comes to percecution-example-Native Americans-Blacks-Chinese-Japanese-etc,etc,etc.But,we do admit our wrongs.Just to cleanse my soul,I checked my family'record.We had no slaves,but we had farmhands!
RE: The Slave Ship - Jim Garrett - 11-13-2014 07:38 AM
An interesting note......A couple of years ago, Rich Smyth and I had lunch with my cousin, esteemed author and historian Robert H. Patton. He told us that many of the American slave ships were owned by Quakers. They leased the ships to the captains who were the ones that controlled the cargo, but the Quakers knew what their ships were used for. Interesting how people will find a way to side step their religious convictions in the name of profit.
RE: The Slave Ship - Wild Bill - 11-13-2014 07:52 AM
A book for you all: Anne Farrow, Joel Lang, Jennifer Frank, Complicity: How the North promoted, Prolonged, and Profited from Slavery (New York: Ballentine, 2006).
This is where present day cases suing insurance companies (like Aetna) and universities (like Brown) for slavery reparations are coming from.
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-13-2014 08:32 AM
Thanks for the info on the Quakers Jim.It is all about $$$ isn't it?The Malayasin Airlines is owned by the Prime-Minister of Malayasia and he is a friend of Putin!Go figure.
RE: The Slave Ship - Jim Garrett - 11-13-2014 06:51 PM
You can ignore a lot of evils for the right price. I looked at the Turner painting. I think an inaccuracy may be, I can't imagine a slave ship captain throwing overboard handcuffs and leg irons.
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-14-2014 06:04 AM
Great insght Jim!
RE: The Slave Ship - Gene C - 11-14-2014 09:13 AM
Your right Jim, too many peopole do that. And that reminded me of this passage from Matthew 6:19 - 21
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
The older I get, the more I see how true it is.
RE: The Slave Ship - HerbS - 11-14-2014 12:02 PM
Gene-I agree with you 100%-Herb