David, this is silly, even for you.
Illegally merging two apartments is nowhere near the same as ordering the execution of 38 people.
Give it a rest.
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Rob
Rob, I disagree.
It appears that she knew and willingly broke the law.
She could have complied with the city zoning and construction laws, but chose not to.
She and her husband appear to have committed fraud and depriving the city of the revised property tax on the building. They were greedy. Shame, shame.
You are right, that is nothing compared to
confirming the order to execute 38 people convicted and most, if not all confessed to the murder and rape of women and children.
Lincoln was upholding the law, and actually helped save the lives of several other Indians also on trial.
Quote:most, if not all confessed to the murder and rape of women and children.
Can you provide a source for the claim that the 38 confessed?
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Rob
(04-23-2021 03:13 PM)Rob Wick Wrote: [ -> ]David, this is silly, even for you.
Illegally merging two apartments is nowhere near the same as ordering the execution of 38 people.
Give it a rest.
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Rob
Rob, please state the source of your claim that I said: “Illegally merging two apartments is [] near the same as ordering the execution of 38 people.”
My post (in my exact words), to which you responded, reads as follows:
"Woke People" who themselves live in "glass houses of character" should not be throwing stones at President Abraham Lincoln's character and reputation. That's my opinion.
Obviously, you have been writing as MY words YOUR thoughts.
Rob, this is silly, even for you. Please stop doing this; it offends me.
David,
I am through with this (I know I keep saying that, but this time is for real). You are free to post whatever you want on this subject. I wish you well on your run for the board.
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Rob
(04-23-2021 06:47 PM)Rob Wick Wrote: [ -> ]Can you provide a source for the claim that the 38 confessed?
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Rob
I'll try. I can't remember where I read it. It's not so much of a confession, but bragging about the atrocities they committed.
I have read "38 Nooses" by Scott Berg, "9 Years Among the Indians 1870-1879" by Herman Lehmann, and "Captivity by the Sioux" by Fanny Kelly as well as several articles about Lincoln and the Dakota War.
I do remember reading Herman Lehmann and Fanny Kelly specifically mentioning the blood thirsty actions of the Sioux against whites and other Indians. Herman saw them first hand and was forced to go on raids with them and mentions many of the raiders liked to brag about the murders and other atrocities they committed. It will take me a while to find the specific reference to the Dakota 38. If any one else knows of a specific reference, please chime in.
"9 Years Among the Indians" and "Captivity by the Sioux" are available on line.
Gene,
Since I'm answering you, I can still comment here. I would caution you against using the word "atrocities" simply because it is a value judgement on your part, and regardless of Lincoln's actions a very strong case can be made that the Dakotas were goaded into fighting by the white residents of the area. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
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Rob
(04-23-2021 06:47 PM)Rob Wick Wrote: [ -> ]Can you provide a source for the claim that the 38 confessed?
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Rob
I may have overstated that convicted Indians confessed, but I have found several references that those who were hung admitted to participating in the raids where women and children were murdered. I'm still looking....
As to your latest post, I have deleted my previous response. It's to easy to say something that can be misunderstood.
We're friends and I don't want to make that mistake.
(not that it's a mistake that we are friends)
OK Rob, I may be misinterpreting and making an assumption of your earlier post, but if I am, others may be also.
It appears to me you are rationalizing the Indians bad behavior.
There seems to be a lot of that going on in today's society.
One group has to stoop to the level of the one who has wronged them. That doesn't seem to work very well.
Romans 12:17-21
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=NIV
This isn't difficult to understand. What we understand is sometimes difficult.
Gene,
I am not rationalizing anyone's "bad behavior" but rather am attempting to explain and understand it. It's equally simple to understand that if you beat a child constantly then that child is going to grow up to either beat their children or be scared of their own shadow. It seems to me that it boils down to the fact that white settlers did not deserve to die, but then again neither did the Native Americans there, or throughout our bloodied history.
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Rob
Petitioners’ Reply:
Attorneys for Petitioners, Paul Scott, Lani Remick, and Laurence Tribe, write:
Only this lawsuit removed that resolution from the official record of the San Francisco Board of Education and precluded the Board from taking further actions predicated on the resolution. [Page 5, lines 1-2.]
The term “frivolous” means “totally and completely without merit or for the sole purpose of harassing an opposing party.” CCP § 128.5(a)(2). [Page 7, lines 10-11.] Petitioners would thus respectfully request that, in issuing its statement of decision in this matter, the Court set the public record straight on this point. The Court has sufficient briefing before it to state whether this action appears frivolous or filed in bad faith. Moreover, the Court has jurisdiction to make such a finding as part of its inherent and statutory power to control proceedings before it,
including the false statements in the Repealing Resolution that was filed with the Court by Respondents. [Emphasis added in this post.] See e.g., In re Jackson (1985) 170 CA3d 773, 778 (outlining the court’s authority to exercise reasonable control over proceedings connected with the litigation before it); cf. CCP § 128.5 (permitting a court in any case to levy sanctions against parties who file frivolous or bad faith actions). [Page 7, lines 15-23.]
Based on the foregoing, Petitioners respectfully request that the Court a) hold that this action was not frivolous nor filed without proper purpose . . . . [Page 7, lines 25-26.]
The issues raised by the Board are important issues that merit public discussion, but such discussions will only be productive if handled in a forthright and transparent manner with proper notice and due process for all concerned. [Page 8, lines 3-5.]
(12-17-2020 09:29 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote: [ -> ]The two charges have been made against President Abraham Lincoln by the Renaming of Schools Panel:
1) Dakota 38
2) Massacre of Cheyenne and Arapaho people by the U.S. Army
The Sand Creek massacre (also known as the Chivington massacre, the battle of Sand Creek or the massacre of Cheyenne Indians) was a massacre of Cheyenne and Arapaho people by the U.S. Army in the American Indian Wars that occurred on November 29, 1864, when a 675-man force of the Third Colorado Cavalry, under the command of U.S. Army Colonel John Chivington, attacked and destroyed a village of Cheyenne and Arapaho people in southeastern Colorado Territory, killing and mutilating an estimated 70–500 Native Americans, about two-thirds of whom were women and children. The location has been designated the Sand Creek Massacre National Historic Site and is administered by the National Park Service. This was part of a series of events known as the Colorado War and was preceded by the Hungate massacre.
For 157 years, a Colorado governor’s order to kill Native Americans remained on the books. Not anymore.
Throughout 1864, tensions escalated between White settlers and Native Americans on the Colorado frontier. So John Evans, the territory’s second governor, made a proclamation in June of that year, telling “friendly Indians of the Plains” to report to outposts like Fort Laramie and Camp Collins for safety and protection.
Two months later, Evans issued a decidedly darker order, authorizing all citizens of the territory to “kill and destroy, as enemies of the country, wherever they may be found … hostile Indians.”
Those proclamations led to the Sand Creek Massacre in November of that year, when U.S. troops slaughtered hundreds of Arapaho and Cheyenne — including women, children and the elderly — after several tribal chiefs went out to greet them and as dozens of other Native Americans tried to flee.
Afterward, soldiers butchered their bodies and paraded them in public.
For 157 years, Evans’s orders remained on the books.
Not anymore. On Tuesday (8-17-2021), Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D) signed an executive order rescinding Evans’s proclamations.
(04-23-2021 02:46 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote: [ -> ]"Woke People" who themselves live in "glass houses of character" should not be throwing stones at President Abraham Lincoln's character and reputation. That's my opinion.
Alison Collins and her husband illegally merged two S.F. apartments, city says
Story in today's San Francisco Chronicle: "S.F. school district won't try to recoup $125,000 in legal costs from Alison Collins' lawsuit against the district"
San Francisco’s school district won’t recoup the money spent to fight the $87 million lawsuit filed by school board member Alison Collins against the district and fellow board members, even though
the case was tossed out by a federal judge before a first hearing.
The school board decided not to pursue legal costs, which reached $125,000 in attorney fees and other expenses, saying it could cost additional district funds to try and recoup the money, officials said.
Collins was required to recuse herself from the decision. It was unclear how many board members ultimately opted in [at] a recent closed session to end the case and move on without seeking redress.
The cost of the Collins lawsuit will be added to the district’s mounting budget deficit, which is expected to reach about $112 million next year and likely require cuts to staffing and programs.
In a strongly worded statement, Judge Haywood Gilliam Jr. of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California said Collins’s claims had no merit.
"While the Court is required to construe Plaintiff’s allegations in the light most favorable to her, the Court cannot find that this unsupported legal conclusion is adequate to plead an ongoing violation of federal law.”
They could at least send her a bill and if she doesn't pay up, as a school board member the district could suspend her pay.
Her fellow board members would probably vote in favor of that.
Or turn it over to the their attorney for collection. He should be motivated to help them collect it.
(09-30-2021 02:26 PM)Gene C Wrote: [ -> ]They could at least send her a bill and if she doesn't pay up, as a school board member the district could suspend her pay.
Her fellow board members would probably vote in favor of that.
Or turn it over to the their attorney for collection. He should be motivated to help them collect it.
I believe that the decision, by those with the power and authority to do so, has been made to let the taxpayers pay. I believe it is what government people call a "fait accompli." The meaning of this term is: "a thing that has already happened or been decided before those affected hear about it, leaving them with no option but to accept it."