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Removing Confederate Generals portraits?
12-23-2013, 10:51 AM
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RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits?
Quote:I'd also like to express support for RSmyth's and Rob Wick's views regarding slavery, the South and the Confederacy in this thread. Guys, you are not alone.

Thank you, Liz.

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12-23-2013, 11:29 AM
Post: #77
RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits?
(12-23-2013 12:53 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  
(12-22-2013 11:40 PM)Liz Rosenthal Wrote:  Wagner wasn't notably more antisemitic than others during his time.
I think he was:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies
(12-22-2013 11:40 PM)Liz Rosenthal Wrote:  I don't know where we're going with this discussion.
You are right, I didn't want to stir up and lead the discussion anywhere further but just give an(other) example of oddities regarding "political correctness". IMO, Hindenburg wasn't worse than Wagner.

Interesting link, Eva. And the funny thing is that during the 19th century and into the 20th, Germany was not an unusually bad place for Jews. In those days, the atrocities (pogroms, and the like) happened in Russia, Ukraine, and Polish portions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Germany and Austria both had a thriving Jewish intelligentsia, which I suppose is what Wagner didn't like. And, as you probably know, German Jews proudly fought for the Fatherland in World War One.

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12-23-2013, 11:41 PM (This post was last modified: 12-26-2013 03:07 AM by My Name Is Kate.)
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RE: Removing Confederate Generals portraits?
I would like to pursue this discussion, if you don't mind, but it's entirely up to you. Here are some of the questions that occurred to me from what you wrote above, which rather felt like a teaser that left me hanging and waiting for more of an explanation.

You pointedly mentioned that the persecution of Jews in Europe has been going on for two millennium. So the obvious question is, do you think Christianity was mainly responsible for that? Are your negative feelings toward the American South in any way connected with their strong ties to Christianity (the Bible Belt, etc.)? How do you account for Islamic antisemitism?

(There is a big difference between Catholicism and Christianity.)
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