(05-05-2018 12:12 PM)Jenny Wrote: (05-03-2018 05:49 AM)Wild Bill Wrote: I found Abel's book on Booth's women to be well researched and well done. Working with Booth and what we can find out about him involves speculation because there are so many gaps in his story. Whatever speculation appears in Abel's work is based on his research and knowledge of the topic IMO.
I do agree, Wild Bill. I actually take back my first comment about the book now that I’ve read it again. None of his speculation is utterly “out there” because he did take the time to research. And I absolutely appreciate that he put out a book that has details on all of the known women; reading about the actresses was especially interesting to me. The main reason I mentioned the resources is because there are some errors in the bibliography with dates (it happens to the best of us), and there is absolutely no valid source cited for the second “Ella Starr letter” he claimed to find which was frustrating to me as I enjoy researching her. I shouldn’t have implied the entire book was sketchy. I apologize for that.
(05-03-2018 08:37 AM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote: There's always the possibility that the woman on the Montauk had no connection to Booth, but simply used her naval connections to get on
Could be!!
(05-02-2018 12:34 PM)Ernesto Wrote: (04-22-2018 11:49 AM)RJNorton Wrote: Has there ever been definite proof that the veiled woman who came onto the Montauk was Lucy Hale?
The other suspect was Maggie Mitchell. There was no veiled woman, neither Maggie nor Lucy
(04-22-2018 09:06 PM)Jenny Wrote: (04-22-2018 11:49 AM)RJNorton Wrote: Has there ever been definite proof that the veiled woman who came onto the Montauk was Lucy Hale?
No, but I suspect she would have been the woman with the best chance of being there due to her father’s position.
I also have to say that I am not impressed with the new book about John and his women. There is a lot of speculation and some sketchy resources.
you are joking. You entertain unfounded speculation about Lucy, about whom her father did the best to deny any relationship, and you question "lot of speculation" elsewhere.
Ernesto, I don’t understand how me speculating on who *I* personally think the woman on the Montauk could have been (IF there was one) when someone posed the question has anything to do about me questioning speculation by Abel or anyone else. Lucy’s father did a fantastic job of covering up Booth’s relationship with Lucy, but he was also one of the man who could have the influence to get his daughter aboard to secretly see the body (not to mention cover it up until 1890 when the first report of a possible woman showed up). How is that speculation unfounded?
I enjoyed the book a lot more and checked a few more of his resources after I read it a second time, but even educated speculation is *still* speculation. There is a lot of it when studying the assassination.
You also say that there “was no woman” on the Montauk. Prove it to me 100% please. I absolutely admit that *I* can’t fully prove there actually was a woman, much less prove that it was Lucy... I certainly wasn’t there on the ship back in 1865! Were you? 
(05-07-2018 08:30 AM)Ernesto Wrote: (05-05-2018 12:12 PM)Jenny Wrote: (05-03-2018 05:49 AM)Wild Bill Wrote: I found Abel's book on Booth's women to be well researched and well done. Working with Booth and what we can find out about him involves speculation because there are so many gaps in his story. Whatever speculation appears in Abel's work is based on his research and knowledge of the topic IMO.
I do agree, Wild Bill. I actually take back my first comment about the book now that I’ve read it again. None of his speculation is utterly “out there” because he did take the time to research. And I absolutely appreciate that he put out a book that has details on all of the known women; reading about the actresses was especially interesting to me. The main reason I mentioned the resources is because there are some errors in the bibliography with dates (it happens to the best of us), and there is absolutely no valid source cited for the second “Ella Starr letter” he claimed to find which was frustrating to me as I enjoy researching her. I shouldn’t have implied the entire book was sketchy. I apologize for that.
(05-03-2018 08:37 AM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote: There's always the possibility that the woman on the Montauk had no connection to Booth, but simply used her naval connections to get on
Could be!!
(05-02-2018 12:34 PM)Ernesto Wrote: (04-22-2018 11:49 AM)RJNorton Wrote: Has there ever been definite proof that the veiled woman who came onto the Montauk was Lucy Hale?
The other suspect was Maggie Mitchell. There was no veiled woman, neither Maggie nor Lucy
(04-22-2018 09:06 PM)Jenny Wrote: (04-22-2018 11:49 AM)RJNorton Wrote: Has there ever been definite proof that the veiled woman who came onto the Montauk was Lucy Hale?
No, but I suspect she would have been the woman with the best chance of being there due to her father’s position.
I also have to say that I am not impressed with the new book about John and his women. There is a lot of speculation and some sketchy resources.
you are joking. You entertain unfounded speculation about Lucy, about whom her father did the best to deny any relationship, and you question "lot of speculation" elsewhere.
Ernesto, I don’t understand how me speculating on who *I* personally think the woman on the Montauk could have been (IF there was one) when someone posed the question has anything to do about me questioning speculation by Abel or anyone else. Lucy’s father did a fantastic job of covering up Booth’s relationship with Lucy, but he was also one of the man who could have the influence to get his daughter aboard to secretly see the body (not to mention cover it up until 1890 when the first report of a possible woman showed up). How is that speculation unfounded?
I enjoyed the book a lot more and checked a few more of his resources after I read it a second time, but even educated speculation is *still* speculation. There is a lot of it when studying the assassination.
You also say that there “was no woman” on the Montauk. Prove it to me 100% please. I absolutely admit that *I* can’t fully prove there actually was a woman, much less prove that it was Lucy... I certainly wasn’t there on the ship back in 1865! Were you?
as famed Jimmy Durante (Im giving away my age) used to say, "everyone wants to get into the act". Witnesses at the assassination, "I knew Lincoln" etc. The mystery woman story comes out almost fifty yrs. later and is not corroborated, as far as I know, by anyone else. Getting on board the Montauk would have taken a lot of effort, but no one else mentioned the episode. I give it the same credibility as Lucy saying she would marry Booth even at the foot of the scaffold. How can anyone prove or disprove the mystery woman. But given all the press and later coverage, if there had been a woman, surely it would have been mentioned. Hence, the speculation, may be fun, but scarely, "worth the candle."
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