Lincoln & Herndon

[Eva Elisabeth]

Thanks, Roger, I wanted to ask/search for it. I lack a little time right now for propper argumentation, but don't think Herndon basically hated Mary (though they sure didn't love each other either) before the feelings on both sides flew off the rails with the Ann Rutledge affair for which sure Herndon was responsible though. Both Mary and Herndon were extreme personalities, and I think one shouldn't forget Mary, too, was no saint regarding lifelong unforgiving hate for questionable reasons (think of Julia Trumbull) and unladylike assertions like calling Seward a "dirty abolition sneak" (there are sure better examples, these just came to my mind first).