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Letter to the Editor: Do Not Rename Lincoln High School
12-10-2020, 05:18 PM
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Letter to the Editor: Do Not Rename Lincoln High School
A local free newspaper in San Francisco, the Richmond Review, has just published online my Letter to the Editor: "Do Not Rename Lincoln High School."

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12-10-2020, 06:18 PM (This post was last modified: 12-14-2020 08:02 AM by Gene C.)
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Good for you David
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So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in?
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12-17-2020, 10:08 AM
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RE: Letter to the Editor: Do Not Rename Lincoln High School
Who are they to judge6, by today's standard . PC culture is killing our world.

They keep blaming him out of context with that comment during the debates with Douglas about the "inferiority of the Negro people".
They focus on it and forget all the rest.
The Emancipation proclamation. The authorization of black soldiers to serve. The fact he let the freedmen and their families seek refuge in Washington. The last speech at the White House when he proposed limited suffrage to black men... Pretty good for a man to whom black lives didn't matter.
They should read the stories from the black White House staff. When Lincoln took office , it was the first time they were treated with dignity.
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12-17-2020, 02:59 PM
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(12-17-2020 10:08 AM)Mylye2222 Wrote:  Who are they to judge6, by today's standard . PC culture is killing our world.

They keep blaming him out of context with that comment during the debates with Douglas about the "inferiority of the Negro people".
They focus on it and forget all the rest.
The Emancipation proclamation. The authorization of black soldiers to serve. The fact he let the freedmen and their families seek refuge in Washington. The last speech at the White House when he proposed limited suffrage to black men... Pretty good for a man to whom black lives didn't matter.
They should read the stories from the black White House staff. When Lincoln took office , it was the first time they were treated with dignity.

Don't forget the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the "king's cure" (in President Lincoln's words) to the end of slavery in the United States. It is the Constitution that is King in a democracy.

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12-18-2020, 12:24 AM
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RE: Letter to the Editor: Do Not Rename Lincoln High School
(12-17-2020 10:08 AM)Mylye2222 Wrote:  Who are they to judge, by today's standard . PC culture is killing our world.

They keep blaming him out of context with that comment during the debates with Douglas about the "inferiority of the Negro people".
They focus on it and forget all the rest.
The Emancipation proclamation. The authorization of black soldiers to serve. The fact he let the freedmen and their families seek refuge in Washington. The last speech at the White House when he proposed limited suffrage to black men... Pretty good for a man to whom black lives didn't matter.
They should read the stories from the black White House staff. When Lincoln took office , it was the first time they were treated with dignity.

Sometime back, I was reading someplace about a young man that worked in a hotel where the lawyers would stay while traveling the Eighth Circuit.

Your statement made me think of it: "They should read the stories from the black White House staff. When Lincoln took office , it was the first time they were treated with dignity."

The young man who worked in the hotel made special note of the kind and dignified treatment he received from Mr. Lincoln, unlike the somewhat condescending treatment he had received from some other attorneys.

Later, this young man campaigned for Lincoln in the state. And, he went to Chicago for the Republican National Convention. He also claimed to have helped pack the Wig Wam Auditorium with Lincoln supporters on a crucial night while the Republican Seward supporters were out marching in the streets. So, in a manner of speaking, he was somewhat important to the election of Lincoln as President.

And, it was all because how the lawyer Abraham Lincoln treated him when he was a lad working his first job.

I thought about making a post of this at the time . . . .

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12-18-2020, 09:27 AM
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RE: Letter to the Editor: Do Not Rename Lincoln High School
(12-18-2020 12:24 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  
(12-17-2020 10:08 AM)Mylye2222 Wrote:  Who are they to judge, by today's standard . PC culture is killing our world.

They keep blaming him out of context with that comment during the debates with Douglas about the "inferiority of the Negro people".
They focus on it and forget all the rest.
The Emancipation proclamation. The authorization of black soldiers to serve. The fact he let the freedmen and their families seek refuge in Washington. The last speech at the White House when he proposed limited suffrage to black men... Pretty good for a man to whom black lives didn't matter.
They should read the stories from the black White House staff. When Lincoln took office , it was the first time they were treated with dignity.

Sometime back, I was reading someplace about a young man that worked in a hotel where the lawyers would stay while traveling the Eighth Circuit.

Your statement made me think of it: "They should read the stories from the black White House staff. When Lincoln took office , it was the first time they were treated with dignity."

The young man who worked in the hotel made special note of the kind and dignified treatment he received from Mr. Lincoln, unlike the somewhat condescending treatment he had received from some other attorneys.

Later, this young man campaigned for Lincoln in the state. And, he went to Chicago for the Republican National Convention. He also claimed to have helped pack the Wig Wam Auditorium with Lincoln supporters on a crucial night while the Republican Seward supporters were out marching in the streets. So, in a manner of speaking, he was somewhat important to the election of Lincoln as President.

And, it was all because how the lawyer Abraham Lincoln treated him when he was a lad working his first job.

I thought about making a post of this at the time . . . .

Where can I find this story?
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12-18-2020, 10:14 AM (This post was last modified: 12-18-2020 10:17 AM by David Lockmiller.)
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(12-18-2020 09:27 AM)Mylye2222 Wrote:  Where can I find this story?

I wish I knew. I am not a very orderly person. I believe I made a Word document at the time as I usually do (either screenshots or copy/paste). I could not think how to find easily the Word document and so I made the post that I did using my infallible (or fallible) memory.

I will try to find it later today.The author's exact words were brought into memory when I read the "same" words that you had written about President Lincoln's treatment of Negro staff in the White House.

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12-18-2020, 05:56 PM
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(12-18-2020 10:14 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  
(12-18-2020 09:27 AM)Mylye2222 Wrote:  Where can I find this story?

I wish I knew. I am not a very orderly person. I believe I made a Word document at the time as I usually do (either screenshots or copy/paste). I could not think how to find easily the Word document and so I made the post that I did using my infallible (or fallible) memory.

I will try to find it later today.The author's exact words were brought into memory when I read the "same" words that you had written about President Lincoln's treatment of Negro staff in the White House.

I did find my Word file with two screen shots. My file name is "Mr. Lincoln’s first game of billiards in Urbana, Illinois led to his nomination as president”

The internet address is long:

http://usd116.org/ProfDev/AHTC/lessons/C...dsGame.jpg

The relevant text reads as follows:

Games of cards had little attraction for him. This first game of billiards at Urbana was an hilarious affair for the spectators. H.M. Russell, who came to Urbana in 1847, remembered well the game and described the entertainment that it afforded.

“An uncle of mine, James S. Gore, was keeping the old Champaign House, then the stage house, and was local agent for the stage lines,” Mr. Russell said. In May, 1848, Judge Samuel H. Treat, Abraham Lincoln and David Davis came to hold the term of the Champaign County Circuit Court and stopped at the hotel. I was working for my uncle, looking after the wants of the judge and of the attorneys, attending the fires in their rooms, carrying water and cigars as needed. I also assisted in waiting on the table. I at once took a liking to Mr. Lincoln, because of his gentleness and friendliness – so different from most of the other attorneys. Mr. Lincoln was always pleasant in asking for things he wished and in thanking for them when they were brought to him.

Another section of which I did a screenshot had a heading that reads: "Helped Nominate Lincoln."

It reads just below the heading: Mr. Russell was an active Lincoln man in the campaign of 1860. He repaid kind words which had been given to him in the days when he was helper in the Stage House. Going to Decatur as the head of the delegation of his county, he helped make the Lincoln delegation to the National Convention at Chicago, which nominated Mr. Lincoln.

“I went to Chicago with the delegates,” Mr. Russell said, “and was in the confidence of David Davis, O.H. Browning, Leonard Swett, and the other friends of Mr. Lincoln. I had the honor of securing the two votes for Mr. Lincoln in the Pennsylvania delegation on the first ballot. I also helped organize the coup which got about 300 Illinois rooters into the wigwam on 75 or 100 visitors’ tickets, and surely kept out 300 New Yorkers when they came. I got our rooters in while the New York folks were parading.”

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12-19-2020, 10:49 AM
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(12-18-2020 05:56 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  
(12-18-2020 10:14 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  
(12-18-2020 09:27 AM)Mylye2222 Wrote:  Where can I find this story?

I wish I knew. I am not a very orderly person. I believe I made a Word document at the time as I usually do (either screenshots or copy/paste). I could not think how to find easily the Word document and so I made the post that I did using my infallible (or fallible) memory.

I will try to find it later today.The author's exact words were brought into memory when I read the "same" words that you had written about President Lincoln's treatment of Negro staff in the White House.

I did find my Word file with two screen shots. My file name is "Mr. Lincoln’s first game of billiards in Urbana, Illinois led to his nomination as president”

The internet address is long:

http://usd116.org/ProfDev/AHTC/lessons/C...dsGame.jpg

The relevant text reads as follows:

Games of cards had little attraction for him. This first game of billiards at Urbana was an hilarious affair for the spectators. H.M. Russell, who came to Urbana in 1847, remembered well the game and described the entertainment that it afforded.

“An uncle of mine, James S. Gore, was keeping the old Champaign House, then the stage house, and was local agent for the stage lines,” Mr. Russell said. In May, 1848, Judge Samuel H. Treat, Abraham Lincoln and David Davis came to hold the term of the Champaign County Circuit Court and stopped at the hotel. I was working for my uncle, looking after the wants of the judge and of the attorneys, attending the fires in their rooms, carrying water and cigars as needed. I also assisted in waiting on the table. I at once took a liking to Mr. Lincoln, because of his gentleness and friendliness – so different from most of the other attorneys. Mr. Lincoln was always pleasant in asking for things he wished and in thanking for them when they were brought to him.

Another section of which I did a screenshot had a heading that reads: "Helped Nominate Lincoln."

It reads just below the heading: Mr. Russell was an active Lincoln man in the campaign of 1860. He repaid kind words which had been given to him in the days when he was helper in the Stage House. Going to Decatur as the head of the delegation of his county, he helped make the Lincoln delegation to the National Convention at Chicago, which nominated Mr. Lincoln.

“I went to Chicago with the delegates,” Mr. Russell said, “and was in the confidence of David Davis, O.H. Browning, Leonard Swett, and the other friends of Mr. Lincoln. I had the honor of securing the two votes for Mr. Lincoln in the Pennsylvania delegation on the first ballot. I also helped organize the coup which got about 300 Illinois rooters into the wigwam on 75 or 100 visitors’ tickets, and surely kept out 300 New Yorkers when they came. I got our rooters in while the New York folks were parading.”

Thank you so much for finding out and posting it below.
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06-23-2025, 08:21 PM (This post was last modified: 06-23-2025 08:32 PM by observer.)
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(12-10-2020 05:18 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  A local free newspaper in San Francisco, the Richmond Review, has just published online my Letter to the Editor: "Do Not Rename Lincoln High School."

Sigh.....just close the schools down and let kids learn school facts on their homecomputers....turn the school buildings into sports training centers....

PS I AM not JokingSadIdeaExclamationExclamation

(06-23-2025 08:21 PM)observer Wrote:  
(12-10-2020 05:18 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  A local free newspaper in San Francisco, the Richmond Review, has just published online my Letter to the Editor: "Do Not Rename Lincoln High School."

Sigh.....just close the schools down and let kids learn school facts on their homecomputers....turn the school buildings into sports training centers....

PS I AM not JokingSadIdeaExclamationExclamation

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/u...gratitude/
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/school-renami...ignorance/
https://paw.princeton.edu/article/prince...nts-racism

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06-24-2025, 10:04 AM
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just close the schools down and let kids learn school facts on their homecomputers

PS I AM not Joking

I would recommend that President Trump appoint you to be the head of the Education Department.

You could join Secretary Kennedy in President Trump's cabinet. You would be a perfect fit.

PS I am not kidding.

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06-24-2025, 10:03 PM
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(06-24-2025 10:04 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  just close the schools down and let kids learn school facts on their homecomputers

PS I AM not Joking

I would recommend that President Trump appoint you to be the head of the Education Department.

You could join Secretary Kennedy in President Trump's cabinet. You would be a perfect fit.

PS I am not kidding.

Also, what are you going to do about all the loss of social interaction among students from kindergarten through senior year of high school? And, what about the loss of individual instruction from all teachers during this same period of time? Some of these teachers have been inspirational, at least for me.

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06-25-2025, 06:10 AM (This post was last modified: 06-25-2025 06:28 AM by observer.)
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RE: Letter to the Editor: Do Not Rename Lincoln High School
(06-24-2025 10:03 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 10:04 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  just close the schools down and let kids learn school facts on their homecomputers

PS I AM not Joking

I would recommend that President Trump appoint you to be the head of the Education Department.

You could join Secretary Kennedy in President Trump's cabinet. You would be a perfect fit.

PS I am not kidding.

Also, what are you going to do about all the loss of social interaction among students from kindergarten through senior year of high school? And, what about the loss of individual instruction from all teachers during this same period of time? Some of these teachers have been inspirational, at least for me.

Schools only work well if the following happen:
1) The teachers are actually dedicated to have students learn not just about their country's history and also encourage students who have hidden talents to develop them...
schools do not work well if
A) the students are taught by rote...read a chapter in the LITERATURE book {NOTHING ABOUT HOW AMERICAN LITERATURE DEVELOPED OVER 200 YEARS] and write BORING 200 word essays on what you did all summer and you learn nothing about home economics or who to cope with life outside school ALSO INSTEAD OF PREACHING SIMPLE LESSONS SLAVERY BAD AND SOUTHERSN BAD ALSO AND TEAR DOWN CS MONUMENTS WHICH WAS THE COMMON THREAD...TEACH STIUDENTS THAT CIVIL RIGHTS...HAS ONY BEEN GOING ON FOR ONLY ABOUT 100 YEARS//AND THAT MANY SOCIETIES IN THE WORLD..SLAVERY IS A LEGAL [BUT NOT A MORAL) INSTITUTION
B) Students who aren't interested in anything except being loud, stupid and disruptive..
c) The teaching tools are out of date...back n the 1970s when progressive schools are actually teaching students to use computers...the school I went to only had computers for the faculty...the nearest thing to computer teaching was trying to learn touch typing on 1940s typetriters [like see on on Gomer Pyle USMC] {My mother had a state of the art plug in electric typewritter at home!)
D) Then of course there is the local school board.... PRIME EXAMPLE OF THEIR INTERFERENCE CAN BE SEEN AT THE POST MESSAGE nO 1)
ps SCHOOL bUILDINGS WOULD HAVE A PLACE FOR SOCIAL INTERACTION..AS SPORTS SCHOOLS
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06-25-2025, 06:26 AM
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I googled this issue and was told to sit up straight, shut up, pay attention to the indoctrination and not ask silly questions

So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in?
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