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[Anita]

(10-02-2014 12:31 PM)STS Lincolnite Wrote:  Like Gene, John and Laurie I posted a comment to the website that harbored the supposed Booth photo. Just now, I went back to the website to copy the link into an e-mail I was sending to a friend who studies the Civil War and guess what:

The page has been removed!!

Maybe we CAN make a difference in getting irresponsible history out of the public eye. Way to go team!! Now if we can just prevent it from being posted in the first place...

Catching up after vacation. Those of you who jumped on correcting the record have made a difference! It might make a good assignment to have students search the net( or watch Jeopardy! ) for an error related to Lincoln history, learn how to verify it is in fact an error and then have the class see if they can set the record straight.

[L Verge]

Your suggestion reminds me of a young lady that is a member of the Surratt Society. She is absolutely fantastic on the subject of Mr. Lincoln, but has always been laughed at in school because of her obsession with the subject. She told me her classmates would groan whenever there was anything being discussed that she could relate to Lincoln. She could handle your assignment very well, Anita. She is now a sophomore in college and has changed her major. She started out wanting to be a criminal profiler, but has now decided that she wants to teach history - after seeing how bad most of her classmates in college are with history.

[Anita]

(10-04-2014 06:23 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Your suggestion reminds me of a young lady that is a member of the Surratt Society. She is absolutely fantastic on the subject of Mr. Lincoln, but has always been laughed at in school because of her obsession with the subject. She told me her classmates would groan whenever there was anything being discussed that she could relate to Lincoln. She could handle your assignment very well, Anita. She is now a sophomore in college and has changed her major. She started out wanting to be a criminal profiler, but has now decided that she wants to teach history - after seeing how bad most of her classmates in college are with history.

Thanks for sharing this Laurie. We need more like her. Does the Surratt House Museum have a Junior Docent program for high school students?

[Steve Whitlock]

(10-03-2014 07:18 AM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 06:13 PM)L Verge Wrote:  A surname that is tied to the current movement to disinter Edwin to test for DNA is "Hulme." The ones pushing that are here in the states, but the Surratt Society has at least one Australian member named Hulme. I have never ventured into asking if there is a relationship, but do you know if the name ties into the Booth heritage?

My original post was wrong so here is the correction.

Members of the Hulme family are related to the Booths, but they are not direct descendants of any of the Booth children. Their line descends from Jane Booth, Junius' sister. She married James Mitchell and had several children.

Dr. Joseph Booth's second wife was Cora Estelle Mitchell. She was his first cousin once removed and 30 years his junior. They had a son together, Edwin, but he died at the age of 15 months. All three of them (plus Joe's first wife, Margaret) are buried at the Booth family plot at Green Mount. Some of the outspoken Hulmes like to lay claim to Joe and Cora, but they are not direct descendants as Joe had no heirs.

Not all members of the Hulme family agree with the few misguided members of their family who push for an exhumation of Edwin. I hope that they are so distantly related (1st cousins 4+ times removed by my count) that they will likely never have the legal standing to desecrate the grave of the Booths.

Jane Booth and James Mitchell had a son, Robert Girard Mitchell, among their children. Robert G. Mitchell m: Ella B. Cheshire and their daughter, Agnes Warren Mitchell, m: Victor Humbrecht. A daughter of Agnes and Victor was Virginia Eleanor (Humbrecht) Kline, wife of Frederick C. Kline.

Among the Kline children were 3 daughters, Suzanne (Kline) Flaherty, Joanne (Kline) Hulme and Virginia A. Kline, who have been active in requesting exhumations.

Among statements made by Joanne Hulme is one mentioning all 3 ladies.

“I’m absolutely in favor of exhuming Edwin,” said Joanne Hulme, 60, a resident of Philadelphia’s Kensington section who is the historian in the Booth family. “Let’s have the truth and put this thing to rest.”

“It’s better to know,” said her sister Suzanne Flaherty, 64, of Bordentown.

The sisters, with a third sibling, Virginia Kline of Warminster, have wondered about Booth stories that don’t match accepted history, as did their late mother."

There is also a lengthy article about Nate Orlowek which mentions the Kline and Hulme connections. I'll just include a paragraph, or so.

"The Booth descendants at first resisted the idea, but Orlowek’s evidence persuaded many of them. Joanne Hulme’s mother, Virginia Eleanor Humbrecht Kline, signed on to the project, along with Lois W. Rathbun, Booth’s great-great-grand niece. Backed by the Smithsonian, having rallied the family, recruited a young up-and-coming lawyer named Mark Zaid, and with the support of Baltimore’s state’s attorney, by 1994 Orlowek and company would finally know just who was buried in Booth’s grave. Everything was going to plan.

Then the cemetery balked."

[L Verge]

(09-30-2019 09:58 PM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 07:18 AM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 06:13 PM)L Verge Wrote:  A surname that is tied to the current movement to disinter Edwin to test for DNA is "Hulme." The ones pushing that are here in the states, but the Surratt Society has at least one Australian member named Hulme. I have never ventured into asking if there is a relationship, but do you know if the name ties into the Booth heritage?

My original post was wrong so here is the correction.

Members of the Hulme family are related to the Booths, but they are not direct descendants of any of the Booth children. Their line descends from Jane Booth, Junius' sister. She married James Mitchell and had several children.

Dr. Joseph Booth's second wife was Cora Estelle Mitchell. She was his first cousin once removed and 30 years his junior. They had a son together, Edwin, but he died at the age of 15 months. All three of them (plus Joe's first wife, Margaret) are buried at the Booth family plot at Green Mount. Some of the outspoken Hulmes like to lay claim to Joe and Cora, but they are not direct descendants as Joe had no heirs.

Not all members of the Hulme family agree with the few misguided members of their family who push for an exhumation of Edwin. I hope that they are so distantly related (1st cousins 4+ times removed by my count) that they will likely never have the legal standing to desecrate the grave of the Booths.

Jane Booth and James Mitchell had a son, Robert Girard Mitchell, among their children. Robert G. Mitchell m: Ella B. Cheshire and their daughter, Agnes Warren Mitchell, m: Victor Humbrecht. A daughter of Agnes and Victor was Virginia Eleanor (Humbrecht) Kline, wife of Frederick C. Kline.

Among the Kline children were 3 daughters, Suzanne (Kline) Flaherty, Joanne (Kline) Hulme and Virginia A. Kline, who have been active in requesting exhumations.

Among statements made by Joanne Hulme is one mentioning all 3 ladies.

“I’m absolutely in favor of exhuming Edwin,” said Joanne Hulme, 60, a resident of Philadelphia’s Kensington section who is the historian in the Booth family. “Let’s have the truth and put this thing to rest.”

“It’s better to know,” said her sister Suzanne Flaherty, 64, of Bordentown.

The sisters, with a third sibling, Virginia Kline of Warminster, have wondered about Booth stories that don’t match accepted history, as did their late mother."

There is also a lengthy article about Nate Orlowek which mentions the Kline and Hulme connections. I'll just include a paragraph, or so.

"The Booth descendants at first resisted the idea, but Orlowek’s evidence persuaded many of them. Joanne Hulme’s mother, Virginia Eleanor Humbrecht Kline, signed on to the project, along with Lois W. Rathbun, Booth’s great-great-grand niece. Backed by the Smithsonian, having rallied the family, recruited a young up-and-coming lawyer named Mark Zaid, and with the support of Baltimore’s state’s attorney, by 1994 Orlowek and company would finally know just who was buried in Booth’s grave. Everything was going to plan.

Then the cemetery balked."

Much of this will be covered in one of the presentations at the 2020 Surratt Conference - straight from the lawyer for Green Mount, Frank Gorman, who led the attack to defeat Nate's original plan to exhume JWB. "Be there or be square," as us Baby Boomers and older used to say.

[LincolnMan]

Thanks for sharing. It would have been great if he actually had found a Booth pic. Oh well.

[Steve Whitlock]

(10-02-2014 03:40 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 03:25 PM)John E. Wrote:  I wonder if he'll recant his claim tonight. Probably not, but he certainly ruffled the wrong feathers.

He admitted his mistake on Twitter today. I have to say that is very refreshing to see as most people with bad identifications cling to them forever.

https://twitter.com/JoshHagerNC/status/5...8644608000

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(10-02-2014 12:04 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Warren, you awakened my sleeping brain. There was another Booth child that I did not take into consideration - the "legal" son from his first marriage to Adelaide. The young man's name was Richard (after his grandfather), but I don't remember whether he married after he came to the U.S. Dave Taylor, or someone, please fill in my gaps.

Laurie,

Richard Junius Booth did marry Sarah P. Ware in 1849. He had at least one son by her, John Baptist Booth. There were also three other young Booths living with them in the 1850 census, but they are probably Sarah's children from a previous marriage. Richard and Sarah moved back to England and they both died there within a month of each other in 1868. The son, John Baptist Booth, had at least four children all of whom immigrated to Australia after his death. One of his daughters died there in 1972 and apparently her descendants are still around, down under. However, from what I have found, it doesn't look like any of Richard Junius Booth's descendants still have the Booth name.

Junius Booth, Jr. actually had four boys by his third wife, Agnes, but two of them died as children. The other two, Junius III and Sydney Barton, married but Junius III murdered his wife and then committed suicide without any heirs. Sydney Barton appears to have had at least one daughter, but I haven't done any significant research on him.

In conclusion, it is highly doubtful that any Booth family descendant would have the Booth name. The last male Booth was Sydney Barton Booth who died in 1937.

There is a living Booth male (with a change of heart), but I wont discuss that much at this time. Hopefully his dna may at least have autosomal matches revealed in the not too distant future on the History Channel.

Also, I don't know about male grandsons or granddaughters of John Baptist Booth, but his daughters were all married, and his son, John Baptist Booth Jr, b: abt May 1880, d: 16 Aug 1953 in Australia.

I have some brief news clips that show Maude was the first to die, in 1947, followed by John Baptist Booth Jr in 1953 and Alice Edith (Booth) Lewis in 1957. I haven't found a clipping for Eliza Christiana "Christine" (Booth) Wynne, but she was still alive in 1950 when her husband, Robert Arthur Wynne died and a child is named, but I can't make out the name, but it seems to be __th, possibly Ruth. And some of his siblings are named, but little information is provided. A Family Tree claims they had a son, Robert Vivian Wynne. I would want some verification for that.

Eliza Christiana Booth

in the England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976

Name: Eliza Christiana Booth
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1877
Birth Place: London, England
Father's name: John Baptist Booth
Mother's name: Eliza Kate Fly Montandon
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Eliza C Booth

in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: Eliza C Booth
Spouse Name: Robert A Wynne
Marriage Date: 1912
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Woollahra, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Number: 8195
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Christine Wynne

in the Australia, Newspaper Vital Notices, 1831-2001
[6 Jan 1950]
Name: Christine Wynne
Gender: Female
Spouse: Robert Arthur Wynne
Publication Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
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Robert Arthur Wynne
Birth unknown
Death 6 Jan 1950
Burial
Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park
Matraville, Randwick City, New South Wales, Australia
Plot Western Garden Walls, Wall E, Position 49
Memorial ID 174335485 · View Source
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Robert Vivian Wynne
1913–1994
Birth 11 JAN 1913 • Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Death 30 JUN 1994 • Burleigh Waters, Queensland, Australia
[NOTE: Son of Robert Arthur Wynne and Eliza C. Booth]
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John Booth

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

Name: John Booth
Age: 1/12
Birth Date: May Abt 1880
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1880: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Street: Hoffman Street
House Number: 717
Dwelling Number: 260
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital status: Single
Father's name: John B. Booth
Father's Birthplace: Maryland
Mother's name: Eliza Booth
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
John B. Booth 30 [John Baptist Booth Sr]
Eliza Booth 24 [Eliza Kate (Montandon) Booth]
Maude Booth 4 [Maude Emily Adelaide (Booth) Sutherland-Turton b: England]
Eliza E. Booth 3 [Eliza Christiana “Christine” (Booth) Wynne b: England, m: Robert Arthur Wynne]
Alice Booth 1 [Alice Edith (Booth) Lewis, b: England, m: Thomas Lewis]
John Booth 1/12 [John Baptist Booth Jr]
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I have more records for Richard Booth and his son, John Baptist Booth Sr, as well as those mentioned above, but wont inundate you with them here, unless you want to see more sources `.

For now it would seem there may be a possibility for autosomal matches for the Booths we are researching to some surnames in Australia.