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LincolnMan · 07-06-2014, 07:16 AM

(07-05-2014 06:12 PM)L Verge Wrote: I think this question could have two answers. Mrs. Garfield established a library in her husband's memory after his death, but I think Truman's was the first established under the 1955 act that sanctioned Presidential Libraries. I believe that Truman liked the idea that FDR had generated by creating his library with the holdings at Hyde Park and this led to the official act of establishment.

Laurie:
You are correct. The answer is complicated. FDR is also another choice- and so is Hayes. I was thinking Garfield when I posted the question. No simple answer on this one.

LincolnMan · 07-12-2014, 08:24 PM

Quote: "In her domestic troubles I have always sympathized with Mrs. Lincoln. The world does not know what she bore, or how ill- adapted she was to bear it. Her fearless, witty, and austere nature shrank instinctively from association with the calm, imperturbable, and simple ways of her thoughtful and absent- minded husband."

Who wrote this?

Eva Elisabeth · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2014 05:06 AM by Eva Elisabeth.)

Isaac Arnold? I think it was (someone) in the course of the insanity trial.

RJNorton · 07-13-2014, 05:03 AM

Dr. Anson G. Henry?

LincolnMan · 07-13-2014, 05:22 AM

Eva and Roger: good guesses but incorrect. By way of a hint I will say that it was written by a male and he is probably someone you might not expect.

Eva Elisabeth · 07-13-2014, 05:42 AM

Herndon?

LincolnMan · 07-13-2014, 07:02 AM

Eva: exactly right- William Herndon. The quote is from his book Life of Lincoln.

Eva Elisabeth · 07-13-2014, 07:44 AM

(Is it worth some more good wishes for the soccer game tonight?)

LincolnMan · 07-13-2014, 07:47 AM

Yes! So far it has worked!

Eva Elisabeth · 07-13-2014, 07:58 AM

Thanks Bill!

LincolnMan · 07-13-2014, 03:12 PM

And so, William Herndon seemed to have some empathy towards Mrs. Lincoln. I note that he refers to Lincoln as "absent-minded." It makes me pause for a moment. I have not viewed him that way? Wonder what evidence Herndon might have had for that?

LincolnMan · 07-13-2014, 06:12 PM

Eva: promised and delivered!

Eva Elisabeth · (This post was last modified: 07-15-2014 08:27 AM by Eva Elisabeth.)

First class delivery, Bill, fantastic, THANK YOU!!! I LOVE the prize!!!

Eva Elisabeth · 07-15-2014, 11:20 AM

(07-13-2014 03:12 PM)LincolnMan Wrote: I note that he refers to Lincoln as "absent-minded." It makes me pause for a moment. I have not viewed him that way? Wonder what evidence Herndon might have had for that?

Bill, I was so "absent-minded" the other day that I overread your question.

One "story" (most likely - I think - this is what Herndon refered to) was told by Margaret Ryan to Jesse Weik on Oct. 27, 1886.

Mrs. Ryan once "saw Mrs L. strike L. on head with piece of wood while reading paper in South Parlor — cut his nose".

In at least two books (can't check in where right now) I read that Mary asked her husband to tend the fire because she was busy with the kids, he didn't react being absorbed in reading, so she hit him as the fire went out. I also once read the story with Lincoln (literally quoted) excusing himself for being that absent-minded and chatting and laughing with Mary afterwards. I don't know what or if at all the authors had other sources than the M. Ryan interview above or embellished the rest.

Very representative for A. L.'s "absent-mindedness" is IMO the following "circuit incident" told by Henry C. Whitney:
“One morning, I was awakened early – before daylight – by my companion sitting up in bed, his figure dimly visible by the ghostly firelight, and talking the wildest and most incoherent nonsense all to himself. A stranger to Lincoln would have supposed he had suddenly gone insane. Of course I knew Lincoln and his idiosyncracies, and felt no alarm, so I listened and laughed. After he had gone on in this way for, say, five minutes, while I was awake, and I know not how long before I was awake, he sprang out of bed, hurriedly washed, and jumped into his clothes, puts some wood on the fire, and then sat in front of it, moodily, dejectedly, in a most sombre and gloomy spell, till the breakfast bell rang, when he started, as if from sleep, and went with us to breakfast. Neither Davis nor I spoke to him; we knew this trait; it was not remarkable for Lincoln.”

No idea whether Herndon knew of this account, it's from Allen Thorndike Rice's "Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln : by distinguished men of his time" (1886). I like this book, you can download it here:
https://archive.org/details/reminiscenceso2251rice

LincolnToddFan · 07-15-2014, 02:32 PM

(07-13-2014 03:12 PM)LincolnMan Wrote: And so, William Herndon seemed to have some empathy towards Mrs. Lincoln. I note that he refers to Lincoln as "absent-minded." It makes me pause for a moment. I have not viewed him that way? Wonder what evidence Herndon might have had for that?

Thanks Bill!

I don't know what made WH describe MTL's nature as "austere". From all descriptions she sounded turbulent, emotional, impulsive, extravagant and unstable.

The very opposite of an austere nature or personality. It confirms my belief that Hendon did not know Mary's true self very well at all.