(02-04-2013 10:56 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  My problem with these telegrams is this, from where did the soldiers get their information? Booth was still on the run and no one had read his diary when these telegrams were written. Therefore, Wood and Waite could not have gotten their information from Booth's writings. What's more, the 2 out of the 3 telegrams mentioned the idea that Booth fell off of his horse, though they dismissed this. The only person at Bryantown at the time who could have told the soldiers such specific details of Booth's broken leg would have been Dr. Mudd. Yet Dr. Mudd never admitted to any knowledge of the assassination over his entire life, let alone in the early days of the investigation. His statements in Bryantown on the 21st recount the idea that Booth broke his leg from a fall off a horse. Had Mudd admitted that the man who showed up at his house broke his leg when he jumped from the box after shooting Lincoln, he would have been certainly executed for not turning in the man he knew to be Lincoln's assassin.

The way I see it, the language of William Wood's telegrams show that he was under the impression that Booth broke his leg when he jumped to the stage, even though he had no evidence for it. In fact, the lines, "it may be possible that she fell or threw off Booth and broke his leg. However, I believe as I have written this morning," demonstrates that he ignored evidence to the contrary to his opinion and continued to support his idea without merit. The subsequent telegram from Waite must have been influenced by Wood's assertions, even though they were unfounded.

I honestly don't know how to take these telegrams. While they don't technically weaken or support either of the theories, I believe that they demonstrate the danger of sticking to a belief even when faced with contrary evidence. The fact is, there was no reliable way for Wood and Waite to know Booth broke his leg in jumping from the stage. With the exception of Booth's diary, there is no reliable way for us to know either. A collection of evidence, a deal of it noticeably circumstantial mind you, does support the idea of Booth falling from his horse. The amount of evidence seems to be in favor of Kauffman's theory, but it still seems to come down to whether or not we believe Booth's word. Due to this, I’m sure the debate will always exist.

(02-06-2013 09:55 AM)HerbS Wrote:  One of my favorites,"That dog will hunt,"My friend from KY while we were playing golf!By goly it did!--Us for the ball !!!!

(02-06-2013 01:35 PM)MaddieM Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 04:28 PM)Jim Garrett Wrote:  The Surratt Tavern will be closed this next month for renovation....(installation of the STUCKEY'S sign and drive-thru window). It will re-open in the spring with Pecan rolls, moon pies, RCs and grape sodas.

We don't have those in the UK. We have fig rolls, manchester tarts, cucumber sandwiches and lashings of ginger beer.

(02-08-2013 08:41 PM)Jim Garrett Wrote:  We need to send you a Southern Care Package.

(02-09-2013 01:52 PM)L Verge Wrote:  . . . Pecan Pie . . . Red Eye Gravy . . . Chicken and Waffles . . . Pralines . . . What about Feather Bed Rolls? Maryland She-Crab Soup? Peanut Soup?

(02-09-2013 01:52 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Do you think Pecan Pie would survive the trip? We would just have to send instructions for the Red Eye Gravy to go over the grits. Same thing with Chicken and Waffles. And don't forget Pralines (definitely have to get them sent from Charleston, SC, however). What about Feather Bed Rolls? Maryland She-Crab Soup? Peanut Soup?

(02-06-2013 02:34 PM)wsanto Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:56 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  My problem with these telegrams is this, from where did the soldiers get their information? Booth was still on the run and no one had read his diary when these telegrams were written. Therefore, Wood and Waite could not have gotten their information from Booth's writings. What's more, the 2 out of the 3 telegrams mentioned the idea that Booth fell off of his horse, though they dismissed this. The only person at Bryantown at the time who could have told the soldiers such specific details of Booth's broken leg would have been Dr. Mudd. Yet Dr. Mudd never admitted to any knowledge of the assassination over his entire life, let alone in the early days of the investigation. His statements in Bryantown on the 21st recount the idea that Booth broke his leg from a fall off a horse. Had Mudd admitted that the man who showed up at his house broke his leg when he jumped from the box after shooting Lincoln, he would have been certainly executed for not turning in the man he knew to be Lincoln's assassin.

The way I see it, the language of William Wood's telegrams show that he was under the impression that Booth broke his leg when he jumped to the stage, even though he had no evidence for it. In fact, the lines, "it may be possible that she fell or threw off Booth and broke his leg. However, I believe as I have written this morning," demonstrates that he ignored evidence to the contrary to his opinion and continued to support his idea without merit. The subsequent telegram from Waite must have been influenced by Wood's assertions, even though they were unfounded.

I honestly don't know how to take these telegrams. While they don't technically weaken or support either of the theories, I believe that they demonstrate the danger of sticking to a belief even when faced with contrary evidence. The fact is, there was no reliable way for Wood and Waite to know Booth broke his leg in jumping from the stage. With the exception of Booth's diary, there is no reliable way for us to know either. A collection of evidence, a deal of it noticeably circumstantial mind you, does support the idea of Booth falling from his horse. The amount of evidence seems to be in favor of Kauffman's theory, but it still seems to come down to whether or not we believe Booth's word. Due to this, I’m sure the debate will always exist.

Dave,

I see these telegrams as better evidence of Booth breaking his leg at Ford's.

These telegrams are a reminder that these investigators had more evidence in 1865 than we have today. There must have been some rather convincing evidence of the break at Ford's that has been lost to history. How else would they have created the theory that Booth broke his leg at Ford's? We know, at this point, they didn't have Booth's diary. If the theory was based on supposition, it would be quite a coincidence that Booth made the same claim.

The problem is, whatever that evidence was, we don't have that evidence today. But whatever that evidence was, when these contemporary investigators weighed it against the evidence that Booth fell from his horse, it was convincing enough for them to conclude that Booth broke his leg at Ford's.

(02-09-2013 07:15 PM)MaddieM Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 01:52 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Do you think Pecan Pie would survive the trip? We would just have to send instructions for the Red Eye Gravy to go over the grits. Same thing with Chicken and Waffles. And don't forget Pralines (definitely have to get them sent from Charleston, SC, however). What about Feather Bed Rolls? Maryland She-Crab Soup? Peanut Soup?

I make the most divine maple syrup and pecan fudge. It just melts in your mouth. I sell it over here in England. What ARE grits?

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(02-06-2013 02:34 PM)wsanto Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:56 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  My problem with these telegrams is this, from where did the soldiers get their information? Booth was still on the run and no one had read his diary when these telegrams were written. Therefore, Wood and Waite could not have gotten their information from Booth's writings. What's more, the 2 out of the 3 telegrams mentioned the idea that Booth fell off of his horse, though they dismissed this. The only person at Bryantown at the time who could have told the soldiers such specific details of Booth's broken leg would have been Dr. Mudd. Yet Dr. Mudd never admitted to any knowledge of the assassination over his entire life, let alone in the early days of the investigation. His statements in Bryantown on the 21st recount the idea that Booth broke his leg from a fall off a horse. Had Mudd admitted that the man who showed up at his house broke his leg when he jumped from the box after shooting Lincoln, he would have been certainly executed for not turning in the man he knew to be Lincoln's assassin.

The way I see it, the language of William Wood's telegrams show that he was under the impression that Booth broke his leg when he jumped to the stage, even though he had no evidence for it. In fact, the lines, "it may be possible that she fell or threw off Booth and broke his leg. However, I believe as I have written this morning," demonstrates that he ignored evidence to the contrary to his opinion and continued to support his idea without merit. The subsequent telegram from Waite must have been influenced by Wood's assertions, even though they were unfounded.

I honestly don't know how to take these telegrams. While they don't technically weaken or support either of the theories, I believe that they demonstrate the danger of sticking to a belief even when faced with contrary evidence. The fact is, there was no reliable way for Wood and Waite to know Booth broke his leg in jumping from the stage. With the exception of Booth's diary, there is no reliable way for us to know either. A collection of evidence, a deal of it noticeably circumstantial mind you, does support the idea of Booth falling from his horse. The amount of evidence seems to be in favor of Kauffman's theory, but it still seems to come down to whether or not we believe Booth's word. Due to this, I’m sure the debate will always exist.

Dave,

I see these telegrams as better evidence of Booth breaking his leg at Ford's.

These telegrams are a reminder that these investigators had more evidence in 1865 than we have today. There must have been some rather convincing evidence of the break at Ford's that has been lost to history. How else would they have created the theory that Booth broke his leg at Ford's? We know, at this point, they didn't have Booth's diary. If the theory was based on supposition, it would be quite a coincidence that Booth made the same claim.

The problem is, whatever that evidence was, we don't have that evidence today. But whatever that evidence was, when these contemporary investigators weighed it against the evidence that Booth fell from his horse, it was convincing enough for them to conclude that Booth broke his leg at Ford's.

If his bones were exumed...would today's experts be able to say when the leg was broken and how?

Quote:I make the most divine maple syrup and pecan fudge. It just melts in your mouth. I sell it over here in England. What ARE grits?

(02-09-2013 07:21 PM)BettyO Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 07:15 PM)MaddieM Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 01:52 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Do you think Pecan Pie would survive the trip? We would just have to send instructions for the Red Eye Gravy to go over the grits. Same thing with Chicken and Waffles. And don't forget Pralines (definitely have to get them sent from Charleston, SC, however). What about Feather Bed Rolls? Maryland She-Crab Soup? Peanut Soup?

I make the most divine maple syrup and pecan fudge. It just melts in your mouth. I sell it over here in England. What ARE grits?

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(02-06-2013 02:34 PM)wsanto Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:56 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  My problem with these telegrams is this, from where did the soldiers get their information? Booth was still on the run and no one had read his diary when these telegrams were written. Therefore, Wood and Waite could not have gotten their information from Booth's writings. What's more, the 2 out of the 3 telegrams mentioned the idea that Booth fell off of his horse, though they dismissed this. The only person at Bryantown at the time who could have told the soldiers such specific details of Booth's broken leg would have been Dr. Mudd. Yet Dr. Mudd never admitted to any knowledge of the assassination over his entire life, let alone in the early days of the investigation. His statements in Bryantown on the 21st recount the idea that Booth broke his leg from a fall off a horse. Had Mudd admitted that the man who showed up at his house broke his leg when he jumped from the box after shooting Lincoln, he would have been certainly executed for not turning in the man he knew to be Lincoln's assassin.

The way I see it, the language of William Wood's telegrams show that he was under the impression that Booth broke his leg when he jumped to the stage, even though he had no evidence for it. In fact, the lines, "it may be possible that she fell or threw off Booth and broke his leg. However, I believe as I have written this morning," demonstrates that he ignored evidence to the contrary to his opinion and continued to support his idea without merit. The subsequent telegram from Waite must have been influenced by Wood's assertions, even though they were unfounded.

I honestly don't know how to take these telegrams. While they don't technically weaken or support either of the theories, I believe that they demonstrate the danger of sticking to a belief even when faced with contrary evidence. The fact is, there was no reliable way for Wood and Waite to know Booth broke his leg in jumping from the stage. With the exception of Booth's diary, there is no reliable way for us to know either. A collection of evidence, a deal of it noticeably circumstantial mind you, does support the idea of Booth falling from his horse. The amount of evidence seems to be in favor of Kauffman's theory, but it still seems to come down to whether or not we believe Booth's word. Due to this, I’m sure the debate will always exist.

Dave,

I see these telegrams as better evidence of Booth breaking his leg at Ford's.

These telegrams are a reminder that these investigators had more evidence in 1865 than we have today. There must have been some rather convincing evidence of the break at Ford's that has been lost to history. How else would they have created the theory that Booth broke his leg at Ford's? We know, at this point, they didn't have Booth's diary. If the theory was based on supposition, it would be quite a coincidence that Booth made the same claim.

The problem is, whatever that evidence was, we don't have that evidence today. But whatever that evidence was, when these contemporary investigators weighed it against the evidence that Booth fell from his horse, it was convincing enough for them to conclude that Booth broke his leg at Ford's.

If his bones were exumed...would today's experts be able to say when the leg was broken and how?

Quote:I make the most divine maple syrup and pecan fudge. It just melts in your mouth. I sell it over here in England. What ARE grits?

Know this is OFF topic - but Maddie, I'll trade my Pumpkin Fudge (always a hit at every party and like you say - divine!) receipt for a copy of your Maple Syrup and Pecan Fudge receipt!

Grits are commonly made of corn known as hominy. Originally a Native American dish from Maize (corn) it has Southern Roots and is very akin to Cream of Wheat - I LOVE grits!

(02-09-2013 07:53 PM)L Verge Wrote:  With plenty of butter (and I like a sprinkling of sugar), I think you would like grits.

(02-09-2013 07:53 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Okay, Betty - Now you have to bring a batch of both pumpkin fudge and maple syrup and pecan fudge to the conference. Maddie's fudge sounds like it might taste a bit like pralines.

The porridge I had in England was thinner than grits and had virtually no flavor. With plenty of butter (and I like a sprinkling of sugar), I think you would like grits.