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RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 09-04-2017 06:56 AM

Congratulations, Steve! This was a tough one. It is Isaac Cogdal.

The reason Cogdal is mentioned in some Lincoln biographies is because of what William Herndon reported that Cogdal said during an interview. Herndon reported that Cogdal talked about Abraham Lincoln and Ann Rutledge. Cogdal said he had talked to Lincoln during the period Lincoln was President-elect. Here is what Herndon reported Cogdal said about his conversation with Lincoln:

"After we had spoken over old times — persons — Circumstances — in which he showed wonderful memory I then dare to ask him this question —

May I now in turn ask you one question Lincoln Said Cogdale Most assuredly. I will answer your question if a fair one with all my heart. then it was that he answered — as follows

Abe is it true that you fell in love with & courted Ann Rutledge" Said Cogdale. Lincoln said, "it is true — true indeed I did. I have loved the name of Rutledge to this day. I have Kept my mind on their movements ever since & love them dearly" — said L

Abe — Is it true — Said Cogdale, that you ran a little wild about the matter:

I did really — I run off the track: it was my first. I loved the woman dearly & sacredly: she was a handsome girl — would have made a good loving wife — was natural & quite intellectual, though not highly Educated — I did honestly — & truly love the girl & think often — often of her now."


RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 09-04-2017 10:07 AM

Many thanks to Joe Di Cola for sending this photo of Isaac Cogdal's grave in the Cogdal Cemetery in Menard County, Illinois.

Joe writes, "It was a much-neglected site until cleaned up and headstones uncovered by friends of the Menard County cemeteries."
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RE: Who is this person? - Steve - 09-04-2017 03:06 PM

(09-04-2017 06:56 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  Congratulations, Steve! This was a tough one. It is Isaac Cogdal.

The reason Cogdal is mentioned in some Lincoln biographies is because of what William Herndon reported that Cogdal said during an interview. Herndon reported that Cogdal talked about Abraham Lincoln and Ann Rutledge. Cogdal said he had talked to Lincoln during the period Lincoln was President-elect. Here is what Herndon reported Cogdal said about his conversation with Lincoln:

"After we had spoken over old times — persons — Circumstances — in which he showed wonderful memory I then dare to ask him this question —

May I now in turn ask you one question Lincoln Said Cogdale Most assuredly. I will answer your question if a fair one with all my heart. then it was that he answered — as follows

Abe is it true that you fell in love with & courted Ann Rutledge" Said Cogdale. Lincoln said, "it is true — true indeed I did. I have loved the name of Rutledge to this day. I have Kept my mind on their movements ever since & love them dearly" — said L

Abe — Is it true — Said Cogdale, that you ran a little wild about the matter:

I did really — I run off the track: it was my first. I loved the woman dearly & sacredly: she was a handsome girl — would have made a good loving wife — was natural & quite intellectual, though not highly Educated — I did honestly — & truly love the girl & think often — often of her now."
Where did you find the image of Cogdal?

RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 09-04-2017 03:17 PM

Steve, it's in John Evangelist Walsh's Abraham Lincoln and the Ann Rutledge Legend.

Also, Joe Di Cola wrote and said it is in the "Journal of the Abraham Lincoln Association," vol. 11, Issue 1, 1990 (photo of Cogdal on p. 25).

RE: Who is this person? - Steve - 09-04-2017 03:22 PM

(09-04-2017 03:17 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  Steve, it's in John Evangelist Walsh's Abraham Lincoln and the Ann Rutledge Legend.

Also, Joe Di Cola wrote and said it is in the "Journal of the Abraham Lincoln Association," vol. 11, Issue 1, 1990 [photo of Cogdal on p. 25]).

Thanks.

RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 11-17-2017 05:30 PM

Who is this man?

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RE: Who is this person? - Eva Elisabeth - 11-17-2017 08:57 PM

Dr. Patterson (as I remember ).

RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 11-18-2017 05:58 AM

Right, Eva! I thought this one might require some clues. The man in the photo is Dr. Richard J. Patterson who operated Bellevue Place where Mary Lincoln was confined in 1875. Eva, you have posted that you are away from your home in Kiel and are in Vienna studying to be a vet - I assume your Lincoln books are back home - the fact that you remembered this photo is amazing. Kudos!

RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 12-01-2017 03:24 PM

Who is this?

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RE: Who is this person? - L Verge - 12-01-2017 04:36 PM

(12-01-2017 03:24 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  Who is this?

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I have no idea, but I sure don't like the look in his eyes!

RE: Who is this person? - Eva Elisabeth - 12-01-2017 06:52 PM

Didn't someone of the assassination saga have an "insane" brother - is it someone related to that? (Eckert's brother maybe, if he had one?)

RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 12-01-2017 06:59 PM

Good thinking, Eva, but not correct. It is not the brother of an assassination-related person.

Hint #1: The person has been mentioned previously on the forum. Abraham Lincoln knew him.

RE: Who is this person? - Anita - 12-01-2017 09:30 PM

Is it Francis Carpenter?

RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 12-02-2017 05:53 AM

Excellent, Anita! It is indeed Francis B. Carpenter who painted First Reading of the Emancipation Proclamation by President Lincoln. It hangs in the U.S. Capitol today. Carpenter also wrote Six Months at the White House with Abraham Lincoln which contains numerous Lincoln quotes and anecdotes not available in any other source. We have quoted from it numerous times on this forum.


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RE: Who is this person? - RJNorton - 12-03-2017 07:51 AM

Who is this?

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