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lincoln in springfield - mbgross - 03-27-2015 09:02 PM
Can anybody tell me the exact location of where the Globe Tavern would have been and where "Aristocracy Hill" is located in Springfield today? thank you.
RE: lincoln in springfield - Gene C - 03-27-2015 10:54 PM
Hope this helps regarding the Globe Tavern
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=48903
RE: lincoln in springfield - RJNorton - 03-28-2015 04:08 AM
Hi Mike. As for Aristocracy Hill I hope this page helps.
RE: lincoln in springfield - mbgross - 03-28-2015 07:01 AM
(03-27-2015 10:54 PM)Gene C Wrote: Hope this helps regarding the Globe Tavern
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=48903
It does. Thank you very much!
(03-28-2015 04:08 AM)RJNorton Wrote: Hi Mike. As for Aristocracy Hill I hope this page helps.
Thanks a bunch!
RE: lincoln in springfield - L Verge - 03-28-2015 10:42 AM
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RE: lincoln in springfield - LincolnToddFan - 03-29-2015 02:04 AM
Those photos are absolutely amazing, especially the ones depicting scenes from the city of Springfield at night.
THANKS Gene and Roger!
RE: lincoln in springfield - Eva Elisabeth - 03-29-2015 09:42 AM
(03-29-2015 02:04 AM)LincolnToddFan Wrote: Those photos are absolutely amazing, especially the ones depicting scenes from the city of Springfield at night.I second this - thank you!!!
THANKS Gene and Roger!
RE: lincoln in springfield - L Verge - 03-29-2015 10:42 AM
I don't believe that I have ever seen a wide view of the Lincoln home and lot. I was surprised to see so much lawn around it. Is that a result of the historic planning of the area, or did the Lincolns have such a nice yard?
I also love Old Aristocracy Hill, and the photos seem to indicate that the area needs some loving care. If it weren't for the snow in Illinois, if I were a millionaire youngster, I would set my eyes on restoring some of those - especially the Greek Revival with that wonderful southern feel. And this comes from someone who was raised in a huge Victorian and thought she had had enough of that architecture!
RE: lincoln in springfield - Gene C - 03-29-2015 02:03 PM
The building next door to the Lincoln home was taken down a long time ago.
RE: lincoln in springfield - Eva Elisabeth - 03-29-2015 03:46 PM
(03-29-2015 10:42 AM)L Verge Wrote: I don't believe that I have ever seen a wide view of the Lincoln home and lot. I was surprised to see so much lawn around it. Is that a result of the historic planning of the area, or did the Lincolns have such a nice yard?This doesn't explicitly answer your question about the lawn, but might indicate:
Joseph E. Suppiger wrote: “Not being a nature-lover, Lincoln had never bothered to plant any trees, shrubs or flowers around the house, and the only shade tree on the property was ordered cut down by Mrs. Lincoln when she had some repairs done to the house. A nature-loving workman asked her husband to confirm the unnecessary order, and he replied: ‘in God’s name cut it down clean to the roots.’” 65 Neither of the Lincolns were notable for their horticultural pursuits. Neighbor James Gourley remembered: “Lincoln never planted any… trees – he did plant Som[e] rose bushes once in front of his house. He planted no apple trees, cherry trees – pear trees, grape vines Shade trees and Such like things – he did not seems Care for Such things.” 66 Mary’s sister, Frances Todd Wallace, recalled that neither “Mr. nor Mrs. Lincoln loved the beautiful – I have planted flowers in their front yard myself to hide nakedness – ugliness – and have done it often… Mrs. L never planted trees – Roses – never made a garden, at least not more than once or twice…”67 Relative Harriet A Chapman maintained that although “I never knew him to make a garden, yet no one loved flowers better than he did.”68
For the sources (mostly Herndon), please go here:
http://abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/abraham-lincoln-state-by-state/abraham-lincoln-and-springfield/
Also Elizabeth Todd Edwards told William Herndon about Lincoln's first visit to the White House conservatory during her visit after Willie's death in Feb.1862: "One day while there in order to calm his mind, to turn his attention away from business and cheer him up, I took Mr. Lincoln down through the conservatory belonging to the Executive Mansion, and showed him the world of flowers represented there. He followed me patiently through. 'How beautiful these flowers are! How gorgeous these roses! Here are exotics,' I exclaimed in admiration, 'gathered from the remotest corners of the earth, and grand beyond description.' A moody silence followed broken finally by Mr. Lincoln with this observation: 'Yes, this whole thing looks like spring; but do you know I have never been in here before. I don't why it is so, but I never cared for flowers; I seem to have no taste, natural or acquired, for such things.'"
RE: lincoln in springfield - RJNorton - 03-29-2015 04:19 PM
Eva, I have read the same as what you posted. Long ago, and I do not recall the book, I believe I read an author's speculation(?) that Lincoln's lack of interest in flowers may have been due to color blindness. If I can ever think of where I read that I shall post.
RE: lincoln in springfield - Eva Elisabeth - 03-29-2015 04:26 PM
I remember reading it here, Roger:
http://www.lincolnportrait.com/emotional_neurosis_diplopia.html
"The earliest evidence of Lincoln's visual decoordination has been recorded by Shastid,{23} as told to him by his father, Dr. Shastid, an oculist who practiced in Pittsfield, Ill. The elder Dr. Shastid, when a boy, lived in New Salem and knew Abe Lincoln, then in his mid-twenties, as the storekeeper and postmaster of the town...Shastid noticed that Lincoln's left eye looked queer at times and would suddenly get crossed and turn upward.
Some 20 years later, when a physician and oculist, Shastid saw Lincoln in several debates with Douglas and in several trials in court as a lawyer. He then recognized the ocular condition as hyperphoria from a certain weakness of the muscles of the left eye, which continuously caused the eyeball to turn upward. Upon excitement this condition would suddenly increase and produce a severe cross-eyed effect. Dr. Shastid suggested that the hyperphoria caused intense eyestrain and uneasiness and was at least partly the cause of Lincoln's moodiness or 'chronic inexpressible blues.' He thought that Lincoln possibly was also color-blind, for Lincoln once said to his (Shastid’s) mother, when she showed him her flower garden, that flowers and sunsets had no beauty for him, as they did for other people."
RE: lincoln in springfield - mbgross - 03-29-2015 04:32 PM
(03-28-2015 10:42 AM)L Verge Wrote: Just received this notice from Amazon, and it is due out tomorrow. It also appears to be in book format - not just Kindle. It might help.
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(03-29-2015 04:32 PM)mbgross Wrote:(03-28-2015 10:42 AM)L Verge Wrote: Just received this notice from Amazon, and it is due out tomorrow. It also appears to be in book format - not just Kindle. It might help.
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RE: lincoln in springfield - RJNorton - 03-30-2015 03:56 AM
(03-29-2015 04:26 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote: I remember reading it here, Roger:
http://www.lincolnportrait.com/emotional_neurosis_diplopia.html
"The earliest evidence of Lincoln's visual decoordination has been recorded by Shastid,{23} as told to him by his father, Dr. Shastid, an oculist who practiced in Pittsfield, Ill. The elder Dr. Shastid, when a boy, lived in New Salem and knew Abe Lincoln, then in his mid-twenties, as the storekeeper and postmaster of the town...Shastid noticed that Lincoln's left eye looked queer at times and would suddenly get crossed and turn upward.
Some 20 years later, when a physician and oculist, Shastid saw Lincoln in several debates with Douglas and in several trials in court as a lawyer. He then recognized the ocular condition as hyperphoria from a certain weakness of the muscles of the left eye, which continuously caused the eyeball to turn upward. Upon excitement this condition would suddenly increase and produce a severe cross-eyed effect. Dr. Shastid suggested that the hyperphoria caused intense eyestrain and uneasiness and was at least partly the cause of Lincoln's moodiness or 'chronic inexpressible blues.' He thought that Lincoln possibly was also color-blind, for Lincoln once said to his (Shastid’s) mother, when she showed him her flower garden, that flowers and sunsets had no beauty for him, as they did for other people."
Eva, thank you for posting that! I am sure the book I read long ago said the same. Today I will check Dr. John Sotos' The Physical Lincoln and see what he has to say about Lincoln's eyesight/possible color blindness. I know the condition is more common in men than women.
RE: lincoln in springfield - Eva Elisabeth - 03-30-2015 05:04 PM
I should probably post this in the book category, but speaking of books on Lincoln's "physical body" - this looks interesting, does anyone know more?
http://www.amazon.com/Lincolns-Body-Richard-Wightman-Fox/dp/0393065308/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427672953&sr=1-1&keywords=lincoln%27s+body