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The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - loetar44 - 09-12-2014 05:19 PM
The carriage that took Abraham Lincoln to Ford's Theatre the night he was assassinated was a 4-persons barouche, made in 1864 by Wood Brothers of New York (and I believe was presented to Lincoln as a gift , right?). I have 5 questions.
(1) Who drove the presidential party, through Washington’s muddy streets, from the White House to Ford’s Theatre? It seems a simple question, but when you take a closer look it is (anyway for me) a very confusing (and intriguing) question. Steers say in his Encyclopedia that the coachman was Francis P. Burke, but in “Blood on the Moon” it is Ned Burke. The Lincoln Institute says Edward “Ned” Burke and George Bryan in the “Great American Myth” says Francis Burke. Jim Bishop writes in “The Day Lincoln Was Shot” that the coachman was Francis Burns, like Carl Sandburg in “Abraham Lincoln: The Prairie Years and The War Years”. And last but not least Charles Higham is referring in his “Murdering Mr. Lincoln” to Francis Bourke.
(2) How did the presidential party get to Ford’s Theatre? This seems to be a simple question too, but for me again (even more) confusing. Rathbone said at the trial of the conspirators the following: “On the evening of the 14th of April last, at about twenty-minutes past eight o’clock, in company with Ms. Harris, I left my residence at the corner of Fifteenth and H Streets, and joined the President and Mrs. Lincoln, and went with them, in their carriage, to Ford’s Theatre, on Tenth Street.” As I understand this: Pres. Lincoln and Mary left the White House (with Charles Forbes, the footman), the carriage driven by coachman B……, who drove first to Sen. Harris to pick up his daughter Clara and her fiancé Maj. Rathbone and then to Ford’s. So, it seems clear…..BUT, what than to think of AL's intimate friend Noah Brooks, who was at the White House, when the presidential party left, and wrote on April 16: “Mrs. Lincoln’s carriage was at the door, seated in it being Miss Harris, daughter of Senator Harris of New York, and Major Rathburn (Rathbone), her step-brother. The President and wife entered and drove off without any guard or escort.” I understand this as follows: Pres. Lincoln, Mary, Clara en Maj. Rathbone left the White House together in the same carriage and at the same time, driven by the President’s coachman B…., and with Charles Forbes. Probably the carriage was first used to bring Clara and her fiancé to the White House. There was no military guard or escort. Okay, which is the right scenario? I don’t know. And to make it more confusing, we also have Charles Forbes’s 1892 affidavit, in which he said that Charles Forbes first accompanied Clara and Rathbone to the theater (the carriage presumably being driven by coachman B……) and then returned to the White House for Pres Lincoln and Mary.
(3) How was the seating in the carriage? The open carriage with only one hood over the 2-persons backseat and 2 (folding?) seats in front. Pres. Lincoln and Mary sitting under the hood looking in the driving direction, Clara en Rathbone in front of them, facing each other or were Clara and Rathbone seated Vis à Vis? Was the President sitting on the right seat? Were there two or four horses, coachman B…… holding the reins, and alongside him footman Charles Forbes?
(4) We know that the coachman went in Taltavul’s Star Saloon to have a drink, with two others. Were these two John F. Parker and Charles Forbes, during an intermission of the play, after the first act? If they did, than the President and his party were at that moment completely unguarded. Forbes returned, because we know he was seated just outside the box when the president was shot (which is also carved on his headstone).
(5) After Lincolns death the carriage was inherited by Robert Todd Lincoln and later was sold to a New York physician, F.B. Brewer. Clement Studebaker, one of the founders of the Studebaker carriage company, bought it from Brewer in 1889 and displayed it for many years in Chicago. The carriage eventually was moved to South Bend. But where is it now?
Who has the answers? Thanks!
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - Anita - 09-12-2014 05:57 PM
Here's the answer to number 5. http://www.southbendtribune.com/studebaker-museum-lending-lincoln-carriage-to-smithsonian/article_3b3a7e5e-1184-11e4-9e72-0017a43b2370.html
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - Jim Garrett - 09-12-2014 06:47 PM
The coachman was Francis P "Ned" Burke. He was an Irishman and had recently taken over those duties. I believe he eventually retired from the Treasury Dept. He lies in an unmarked grave in Mt. Olivet Cemetery.
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - L Verge - 09-12-2014 07:08 PM
(09-12-2014 05:57 PM)Anita Wrote: Here's the answer to number 5. http://www.southbendtribune.com/studebaker-museum-lending-lincoln-carriage-to-smithsonian/article_3b3a7e5e-1184-11e4-9e72-0017a43b2370.html
The Lincoln carriage will be viewed by the first fifty people to sign up for the Friday tour into D.C. at the 2015 Surratt Conference. The full Smithsonian exhibit on the Lincoln assassination is part of our remembrance of that sad event. That will be the morning part of the tour; then on to lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe and a epic musical performance next door at Ford's Theatre. The theme of the musical is based on Lincoln's words during the war as well as the experiences of the soldiers.
Jim is correct about Burke being the coachman, and I think we have covered the discussion of who came first in the carriage - the Lincolns to the Harris residence, or vice versa - and I think we settled on a source that had the Lincolns picking up Clara and Henry.
I have also recently read the seating arrangement on the trip, but for the life of me cannot remember where. Was it on this forum?
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - Eva Elisabeth - 09-12-2014 07:51 PM
Kees, please check out these:
http://clevelandcivilwarroundtable.com/articles/lincoln/lincoln_riddles.htm
http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-936-post-18677.html?highlight=Clara#pid18677
http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-893-page-6.html?highlight=Clara
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - L Verge - 09-12-2014 07:59 PM
(09-12-2014 07:08 PM)L Verge Wrote:(09-12-2014 05:57 PM)Anita Wrote: Here's the answer to number 5. http://www.southbendtribune.com/studebaker-museum-lending-lincoln-carriage-to-smithsonian/article_3b3a7e5e-1184-11e4-9e72-0017a43b2370.html
The Lincoln carriage will be viewed by the first fifty people to sign up for the Friday tour into D.C. at the 2015 Surratt Conference. The full Smithsonian exhibit on the Lincoln assassination is part of our remembrance of that sad event. That will be the morning part of the tour; then on to lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe and a epic musical performance next door at Ford's Theatre. The theme of the musical is based on Lincoln's words during the war as well as the experiences of the soldiers.
Jim is correct about Burke being the coachman, and I think we have covered the discussion of who came first in the carriage - the Lincolns to the Harris residence, or vice versa - and I think we settled on a source that had the Lincolns picking up Clara and Henry.
I have also recently read the seating arrangement on the trip, but for the life of me cannot remember where. Was it on this forum?
I found the answer as to who sat where on Roger's other wonderful website dedicated to Mr. Lincoln. Clara and Henry rode backwards in the carriage (directly behind the coachman) while President and Mrs. Lincoln faced forward. Next question : Was the carriage's hood up or down?
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - RJNorton - 09-13-2014 04:00 AM
Laurie, I found that information in Jim Bishop's book, and of course Bishop didn't use footnotes. I have no other source on that. I don't know if Bishop had a source for that or was just guessing the seating arrangement.
Kees, regarding #4, Francis Burke gave a statement on April 25, 1865. It read, "Francis Burns, the driver of the president's coach, states that on the night of the murder of Mr. Lincoln, he drove him to the theatre and stayed at the door until the tragedy occurred. The Special police officer and the footman of the president came up to him to take a drink with them; which he did; but he does not remember anyone else coming up to him in particular, those there were several who asked him questions. He does not know who they were."
I believe whoever took down Burke's statement got the name wrong, and this may be the origin of why so many books use "Burns."
http://books.google.com/books?id=GvYpUeuPPrAC&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=%22stayed+at+the+door+until+the+tragedy+occurred%22&source=bl&ots=UAbVeWdqyW&sig=GS67PeI2orhVzHUZDbWnhcEjfMk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aQsUVOeVOqzksAS-3IKQBA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22stayed%20at%20the%20door%20until%20the%20tragedy%20occurred%22&f=false
Since we know that the footman was Forbes and the police officer was Parker then it does appear all 3 had a drink leaving President Lincoln without any of the White House staff who were there. I am not sure any of the 3 considered themselves "presidential security" in the same way we consider that term nowadays.
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - Jim Garrett - 09-13-2014 07:29 AM
Burke was a fairly recently arrived Irishman. The "Burns vs Burke" confusion could have come from the person taking Burke's statement. Burke's accent may be the culprit.
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - ReignetteC - 09-13-2014 09:37 AM
(09-12-2014 07:08 PM)L Verge Wrote:Laurie, The Friday tour sounds spectacular. About when may we begin to register for the conference? Thanks.(09-12-2014 05:57 PM)Anita Wrote: Here's the answer to number 5. http://www.southbendtribune.com/studebaker-museum-lending-lincoln-carriage-to-smithsonian/article_3b3a7e5e-1184-11e4-9e72-0017a43b2370.html
The Lincoln carriage will be viewed by the first fifty people to sign up for the Friday tour into D.C. at the 2015 Surratt Conference. The full Smithsonian exhibit on the Lincoln assassination is part of our remembrance of that sad event. That will be the morning part of the tour; then on to lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe and a epic musical performance next door at Ford's Theatre. The theme of the musical is based on Lincoln's words during the war as well as the experiences of the soldiers.
Jim is correct about Burke being the coachman, and I think we have covered the discussion of who came first in the carriage - the Lincolns to the Harris residence, or vice versa - and I think we settled on a source that had the Lincolns picking up Clara and Henry.
I have also recently read the seating arrangement on the trip, but for the life of me cannot remember where. Was it on this forum?
(09-12-2014 07:08 PM)L Verge Wrote:Laurie, The Friday tour sounds spectacular. About when may we begin to register for the conference? Thanks.(09-12-2014 05:57 PM)Anita Wrote: Here's the answer to number 5. http://www.southbendtribune.com/studebaker-museum-lending-lincoln-carriage-to-smithsonian/article_3b3a7e5e-1184-11e4-9e72-0017a43b2370.html
The Lincoln carriage will be viewed by the first fifty people to sign up for the Friday tour into D.C. at the 2015 Surratt Conference. The full Smithsonian exhibit on the Lincoln assassination is part of our remembrance of that sad event. That will be the morning part of the tour; then on to lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe and a epic musical performance next door at Ford's Theatre. The theme of the musical is based on Lincoln's words during the war as well as the experiences of the soldiers.
Jim is correct about Burke being the coachman, and I think we have covered the discussion of who came first in the carriage - the Lincolns to the Harris residence, or vice versa - and I think we settled on a source that had the Lincolns picking up Clara and Henry.
I have also recently read the seating arrangement on the trip, but for the life of me cannot remember where. Was it on this forum?
RE: The carriage (and coachman) that took the Lincoln party to Ford's Theatre - L Verge - 09-13-2014 11:35 AM
Reignette,
We plan on mailing the conference packets to all Society members by the first of November. However, we will be posting it on our website also - hopefully by October 15. The only hold-up right now is finalizing the Sunday tour. James Swanson will be our guest narrator on a tour over the escape route (we're going on a Manhunt...!), but we want to see something special at Ford's Theatre that morning. They have a new exhibit on the assassination that will open to the public on March 23. Our tour is March 22, so I'm trying to beg favors to get our group in to see the exhibit a day early.