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RE: No need to question this Lincoln conspirator’s guilt - Eva Elisabeth - 05-28-2016 02:22 AM
Thanks, Jenny and Betty. I am glad I am not the only one at whom the "warfare" was getting. I think however as neither side can claim being able to prove the absolute truth it's difficult to determine who is the "opposition". One just has to accept there are different points of view and interpretations of "material". I agree that repeating the same points (on either side) becomes tiresome (to either side).
RE: No need to question this Lincoln conspirator’s guilt - Pamela - 05-28-2016 10:29 AM
Eva, the point is not whether Weichmann can ultimately be proved to be gay or not (I suppose if a letter written by him where he professed passionate love for another man were to be found one day that would be conclusive), rather Laurie revealed what appears to me to be a homophobic attitude regarding him:
"What do I mean by the uneasy tones that quite a few of us detect in Weichmann's writings? Are you ready for this next paragraph?
Several people have used the term "Nancy boy" in describing him to me. I honestly did not know what that term meant until I was enlightened, but it did match what I and others had called attention to."
"Nancy boy" is an old fashioned derogatory term referring to being effeminate or gay. It doesn't matter that as of today we have no definitive proof of his being gay. But that attitude justifies an insidious form of character assassination, that he was too weak to save Mary, that he wanted to, but wasn't let into the assassin gang because of not being "manly" enough, "others have suggested that he would be comparable to the kid that no one wanted on their baseball team at recess during elementary school."
Betty, this discussion may seem pointless to you and that's fine. IMO, though, Weichmann was the star witness in the Lincoln trial who endured a lifetime of slander, loss of prospects and mental anguish but ultimately accomplished a lot with his life including his excellent book and founding a small business school, not to mention the service to his country.
It seems to me that the "Nancy boy" label offers a convenient justification for viewing, interpreting and describing Weichmann's testimony as driven by fear, weakness, dastardly betrayal of the woman who "treated him like a son", vengeance against the conspiracy gang who excluded him and hurt his effeminate feelings, rather than honesty, integrity, duty and patriotism after finding himself in a horrible position.
Gene, thanks for that video which is amazingly silly, lol.
RE: No need to question this Lincoln conspirator’s guilt - Eva Elisabeth - 05-28-2016 10:52 AM
Pamela, my words weren't solely referring to this question. Most of what has been discussed on him, his knowledge on the matters and how much he might have shared or not, and why, and what the consequences otherwise might have been is as far as I see unprovable.
RE: No need to question this Lincoln conspirator’s guilt - Gene C - 05-28-2016 11:36 AM
Pamela does make a good point. Often we overlook the good things others said about Weichmann and the difficulties he faced.
As a witness, he had a pretty high accuracy and reliability rating.
There may have been many who didn't like what he said, but I am not aware of him being intentionally dishonest in his statements.