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RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - HerbS - 08-18-2012 01:32 PM Yes,you are correct about the numbers of Irish in the prison-especially from NYCity.My great grandfather[William Ryan]was from Ireland. RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - Craig Hipkins - 08-18-2012 01:36 PM The first time that I ever heard the word "shebang" used in terms of a shelter was in Warren Wilkinson's book Mother May You Never See The Sights I Have Seen. It is a history of the 57th Massachusetts infantry. My G-G Grandfather served as a drummer boy in that Regiment. Wilkinson describes a shebang as "torn blankets and rags thrown over crude stick and brush frames." It seems to me that they were made out of any type of material that a prisoner in one of those camps could find. In this case the prison that Wilkinson was referring to was Andersonville. I imagine that it was a pretty common term used by soldiers in those days. Craig RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - HerbS - 08-18-2012 03:10 PM Thanks-Craig--Andersonville was the worst prison ever! RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - HerbS - 08-19-2012 07:59 AM I did more research on Camp Ford.Yes,most of the prisioners were from NYCity and had Irish names.I also saw that the Spiegel brothers[Chicago Catalog] were prisoners there. RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - Gene C - 03-12-2013 10:08 AM (08-17-2012 01:27 PM)Laurie Verge Wrote: Well Herb, your great-grandfather just made me spend my lunch hour searching for the meaning of "shebang." Most of the dictionaries and other sources that I investigated made no mention of it having anything to do with a form of shelter. They refer to it meaning "the whole package" or even the opening something-or-other in the computer field. One source states that the word only dates to 1869. Answer to What is a Shebang? I seem to always find this stuff when I'm looking for something else http://www.dddnews.com/story/1164933.html RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - HerbS - 03-12-2013 10:55 AM Gene,Shebang is by now is an archaic word.Look up Camp Ford-Tyler,Texas.The key is,he made it home! RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - Bill Richter - 03-12-2013 03:30 PM Craig is correct, shebang was a common Civil War word for a shelter of some sort, usually rigged out materials at hand. I first ran into it in the mid-1950s, I think from MacKinley Kantor's Andersonville. It was used in POW camps on a regular basis, as Herb implies FYI, There are 74 references to shebang as a prisoners' shack in Kantor's Andersonville RE: Hellmira! Execution-Retribution-or War Crimes? - HerbS - 03-14-2013 07:03 AM Thanks-Bill-Camp Ford-Tyler,Texas describes the Shebang quite well.As does my Great Grandfather's Diary.The prison was not a Hilton Hotel! |