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RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - Rick Smith - 12-09-2016 09:40 AM I thought that General Tidwell had stated the skirmish near Charlotte Hall was probably between some Yankees and elements of Mosby's command, part of Co. G, led by Lt. Garland Smith, who had been looking for Booth with a view to extracting him. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - wpbinzel - 12-09-2016 07:36 PM (04-23-2014 03:05 PM)L Verge Wrote: I found the article on the stage run that I did centuries ago. The mail route from 1860-64 was as follows: I don't think that I asked when you posted this: Where was Beantown? RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - L Verge - 12-11-2016 02:17 PM (12-08-2016 10:12 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote: I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm stuck in a research quandary. My question is this, how could John Wilkes Booth have returned to Washington after visiting Charles County in November of 1864? The stage schedule came from the historian's office at the U.S. Postal Department back in the late-1970s. As I said in the early posts, I did not carry the history of it into the 1864-65 time period because of Mr. Surratt's death early in the war. I also need to check as to when the post office left Surratt Tavern and went to Robey's place down Piscataway Road. Booth could have borrowed a horse, hitched a ride with someone going to D.C., OR I remember Mr. Hall making reference to him leaving a horse at the T.B. livery stable across the road from John Chandler Thompson's T.B. Hotel. Don't know when that was or any details. I am positive (without proof) that Thompson was another safehouse handler. Mr. Huntt was the T.B. postmaster with his store and home just across the "street." RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - wpbinzel - 12-11-2016 11:25 PM The answer to my question of "Where was Beantown?" may be found on Kieran McAuliffe's John Wilkes Booth Escape Route map. It appears to me that Beantown was east of Waldorf, in the area of where the modern-day Mattawoman Beantown Road, St. Charles Parkway and Leonardtown Road converge. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - BettyO - 12-12-2016 08:19 AM Here's what I found on "Beantown" - it's Wiki....so therefore, I'd rely more heavily on what Laurie has to say - she knows! Still - interesting info and the photo is wonderful! "Waldorf's original name was Beantown. During his post assassination flight, John Wilkes Booth told a road sentry he was headed to his home in Charles County near Beantown and was allowed to proceed.[2] In 1880, the General Assembly of Maryland by an act changed the name to "Waldorf" in honor of William Waldorf Astor (1848–1919), the great-grandson of John Jacob Astor (1763–1848), who was born in Walldorf, Palatinate, Germany.[3] On July 29, 1908, the city of Plumb Valley in Waseca County, Minnesota, changed its name to Waldorf after Waldorf, Maryland.[4] Once a tobacco market village, Waldorf came to prominence in the 1950s as a gambling destination after slot machines were legalized in Charles County in 1949. The boom lasted until 1968 when gambling was once again outlawed.[5] Its subsequent substantial growth as a residential community began with a 1970 loan package from the Department of Housing and Urban Development which fueled the giant planned community of St. Charles, south of Waldorf. St. Catharine, or the Dr. Samuel A. Mudd House, was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1974.[6]" - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf,_Maryland RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - L Verge - 12-12-2016 06:42 PM (12-11-2016 11:25 PM)wpbinzel Wrote: The answer to my question of "Where was Beantown?" may be found on Kieran McAuliffe's John Wilkes Booth Escape Route map. It appears to me that Beantown was east of Waldorf, in the area of where the modern-day Mattawoman Beantown Road, St. Charles Parkway and Leonardtown Road converge. You are correct. There were still some remnants of the village when I was a small child. I pointed this location out on the conference bus trip into Charles County last year. BTW: Just trivia - Mattawoman is an Indian name that was given to the creek that separates Charles and Prince George's County at that point. The Huntt family plantation where my great-grandfather grew up was right along that creek in Charles County It also bore the name Mattawoman and would today be where the other end of Mattawoman-Beantown Road intersects with Route 301. About 3-4 miles south of T.B. If Booth had taken the "new" route from T.B., he would have crossed through the plantation. (12-12-2016 08:19 AM)BettyO Wrote: Here's what I found on "Beantown" - it's Wiki....so therefore, I'd rely more heavily on what Laurie has to say - she knows! Actually, this is good information. The original center of Beantown, however, is a few miles below the original center of Waldorf. The Bean family was all over Charles and Southern Prince George's Counties when I was a child. Jimmy Bean ran a bustling general store right by the railroad tracks in original Waldorf and somehow was related to the Huntts through marriage. The store was so rickety, one would have thought that the vibration from the trains would have caused it to collapse. The photo is great, and most of the buildings are still there. The movie theater is where I saw all my childhood movies - except when we could go to the grand movie houses in DC - and they were spectacular. The old theater is now a Spanish market. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - L Verge - 12-13-2016 12:13 PM (12-12-2016 06:42 PM)L Verge Wrote:(12-11-2016 11:25 PM)wpbinzel Wrote: The answer to my question of "Where was Beantown?" may be found on Kieran McAuliffe's John Wilkes Booth Escape Route map. It appears to me that Beantown was east of Waldorf, in the area of where the modern-day Mattawoman Beantown Road, St. Charles Parkway and Leonardtown Road converge. Just correcting an error during one of my mental collapses. Mr. Bean ran a store in Brandywine when I was a child - not in Waldorf. Jimmy Ryan ran the one by the railroad tracks in Waldorf. Just trivia to file and forget. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - SSlater - 12-13-2016 09:59 PM (04-23-2014 06:05 PM)L Verge Wrote: I agree completely with Joe. Booth was riding on a high ego at that point and was certain that his deed would be acclaimed by many. Miss Maude Motley, owner of the sliver of the crutch, who used to meet our tour buses in Virginia, would recount something to the effect that, when the news of the assassination was heard at the Garrett home, Booth made a comment as to wondering why someone would kill Lincoln. I believe it was Lucinda Holloway who replied, "Oh, for notoriety's sake, no doubt." For someone expecting accolades, "notoriety" is a put down, IMO.Laurie. You-Hooooo! Are you awake? If you are not I'll call back. Did I ever send you something on this Battle? (There's a Post nearby that has Garland Smith (Really Channing Smith) fighting at Charlotte Hall (really Benedict). Is there enough interest to write up a story for you? It wasn't Mosby's People, (I can prove that) and nothing was accomplished. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - L Verge - 12-14-2016 07:02 PM (12-13-2016 09:59 PM)SSlater Wrote:(04-23-2014 06:05 PM)L Verge Wrote: I agree completely with Joe. Booth was riding on a high ego at that point and was certain that his deed would be acclaimed by many. Miss Maude Motley, owner of the sliver of the crutch, who used to meet our tour buses in Virginia, would recount something to the effect that, when the news of the assassination was heard at the Garrett home, Booth made a comment as to wondering why someone would kill Lincoln. I believe it was Lucinda Holloway who replied, "Oh, for notoriety's sake, no doubt." For someone expecting accolades, "notoriety" is a put down, IMO.Laurie. You-Hooooo! Are you awake? If you are not I'll call back. I don't remember ever speaking about an article, but we have discussed it several times over the phone. We always need articles, especially one that will interest Southern Maryland members. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - Dave Taylor - 12-14-2016 07:11 PM (12-14-2016 07:02 PM)L Verge Wrote: I don't remember ever speaking about an article, but we have discussed it several times over the phone. We always need articles, especially one that will interest Southern Maryland members. Local folks do enjoy the story of the "Battle of Mechanicsville". I spoke at both the Lexington Park and Charlotte Hall Rotary clubs during the last 6 months and they all enjoyed hearing about this forgotten Civil War "battle" in their own county. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - Rick Smith - 12-17-2016 09:53 AM The "nearby post" that John Stanton refers to and which relates to Garland Smith and elements of Co. G from Mosby's command is based off of General Tidwell's research on the subject. General Tidwell specifically cites Garland Smith and says that some of Mosby's people were actually on the Maryland side of the river looking for Booth in hopes of extracting him and that this is also the reason for Thomas Harbin and Joseph Baden being in Newport just after the assassination. Not all of Mosby's men had returned to him at this point. Those involved in the fight at Charlotte Hall and the three who met Booth and Herold at Port Conway; Jett and Bainbridge, who are listed on Mosby's rolls, were two of the three who met Booth and Herold and crossed the Rappahannock with them. (12-17-2016 09:53 AM)Rick Smith Wrote: The "nearby post" that John Stanton refers to and which relates to Garland Smith and elements of Co. G from Mosby's command is based off of General Tidwell's research on the subject. General Tidwell specifically cites Garland Smith and says that some of Mosby's people were actually on the Maryland side of the river looking for Booth in hopes of extracting him and that this is also the reason for Thomas Harbin and Joseph Baden being in Newport just after the assassination. Not all of Mosby's men had returned to him at this point. Those involved in the fight at Charlotte Hall and the three who met Booth and Herold at Port Conway; Jett and Bainbridge, who are listed on Mosby's rolls, were two of the three who met Booth and Herold and crossed the Rappahannock with them. My last sentence was unclear. Meant to say; Those involved in the fight near Charlotte Hall and the three who met Booth and Herold at Port Conway, are examples of Mosby's men still being in the area. Willie Jett & Absalom Bainbridge, who are listed on Mosby's rolls, were two of the three who met Booth and Herold and crossed the Rappahannock with them. All of the above is very clearly explained in General Tidwell's book, April '65. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - L Verge - 12-17-2016 11:07 AM Thank you, Rick, for the backup. I'm still going with the Tidwell version. Also, John mentioned the Mechanicsville skirmish as actually occurring in Benedict. Benedict is in Charles County and at least eight to ten miles away from Mechanicsville in St. Mary's County. Could there have been two such skirmishes -- one to match Tidwell's scenario and one for John Stanton's?? RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - Rick Smith - 12-17-2016 11:50 AM Laurie, You are most welcome. I have always been a strong proponent of General Tidwell's view of things. There may have been more than one skirmish, but certainly there was one near Charlotte Hall & Mechanicsville. In his after action report, Captain Buckley states that he had skirmished with a Confederate force near Mechanicsville the evening of April 15 and had lost one man, but that he had taken one of the enemy prisoner. He states plainly in his report that the Confederate force was under the command of Captain Garland Smith. Most likely, Buckley got Smith's name from his prisoner. There is another report from a Lt. O'Brien who states that Buckley had arrived at the government farms on the night of April 15, and that he had skirmished with a "portion of Mosby's men under Captain Garland Smith, just on the edge of the farms." I believe that the government farms referred to were located on confiscated property owned by the Sothrons, who had left for Virginia after Colonel Sothron had shot a yankee Lieutenant in command of some U. S. Colored troops when they made a "visit" to his place to recruit slaves for the Union army. The farms were used to grow vegetables for Point Lookout. This is near where the skirmish took place, not at the government farms at Benedict. The Charlotte Hall connection comes from Colonel Sothron having been the head master at Charlotte Hall Military Academy. I do not know for sure, but my belief is that there were not two skirmishes, but only one, and it took place close to Mechanicsville. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - Wild Bill - 12-17-2016 11:57 AM There was no fight at Benedict. For most of the war the plain outside of town was the training camp for four or five regiments of Black volunteers (USCT), called Camp Stanton, I believe. Ironic. Tidwell wrote three articles for the Courier on the Mechanicsville fight the night that Booth and Harold heard shots from (see William A. Tidwell, "April 15, 1865," Surratt Courier, 22 (April-May-June 1997), 6-10, 5-10, 4-9. RE: St. Peter's or Horsehead? Is the Stage Route the Answer? - L Verge - 01-11-2017 07:59 PM In the middle of the night, a thought occurred to me. The Plains plantation of the Sothorons, which Rick mentioned in a previous post,was in St. Mary's County on the Patuxent River and about 3-4 miles from the village of Mechanicsville. It is now a housing development with only a well-kept family cemetery to ever suggest it had a history. Those of us who know about the Battle of Mechanicsville have always thought that the battle occurred near that site. However, it dawned on me that there is another river to consider when studying St. Mary's County - the Wicomico River. An infamous town to the Yankees, Chaptico, still stands near the Wicomico (and has a great market that sells Maryland stuffed ham and good, Maryland-style fried chicken). Allen's Fresh, familiar to those who study the Civil War in Southern Maryland, is also on the Wicomico. Even today, however, nearby areas of the county fall under the Mechanicsville post office and cover about 14-15 miles from that river to the heart of Mechanicsville. The point of my rambling is to suggest that this elusive Battle of Mechanicsvile could have occurred along the Wicomico River instead of the Patuxent River. Both areas would have been familiar to both the Yankees and any agents working from the Northern Neck shores of the Potomac. In fact, Jones decided to move Booth to Dent's Meadow after hearing that the Yankees had skedaddled to St. Mary's County because of reports of two men crossing into Virginia in that direction. We know those two men were likely Thomas Harbin and Joseph Baden. Mechanicsville extended to the shores of two rivers, the Patuxent and the Wicomico. Are we safe to speculate that the skirmish between Yankees and Mosby's men could have occurred somewhere near either river? I shall await a salvo from John Stanton... P.S. If you want an interesting side story of the Civil War related to a citizen of Chaptico, google Richard Zarvona (a Civil War cross-dresser to serve The Cause). |